Anonymous wrote:"They don't notice that lots of other people, good and bad, have trouble meeting guys."

---Messed up that line - meant to say that they don't notice that lots of other people, men and women, good and bad, have trouble meeting romantic partners.

For a lot of women the dating game is thus: the odds are good but the goods are odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Yeah and I'm sure that works a charm. I mean, what woman wouldn't want to get with a side who insulted her as a means of flirting and needs to read a manual to learn basic human social interaction? I'm sure you have the ladies beating down your door... (Hence the need for you to read books on how to talk to them)

Women only seem to beat down the door for about 10% of the dudes. There are probably another 60% of us who are tolerable to one degree or another. And 30% are just unfuckable. (Caution: statistics have been pulled out of my rectum and may not be accurate.) The tricks are for those guys in the 60% who desperately want women to treat them like they treat the 10%. (The 30% probably want that too, but nothing is going to work for them, even by accident.)

The "bad boys" who are "dicks" to women, but still get laid, are guys who are already in the "top 10%" (using your own numbers). That's why women put up with their BS.

A schlub, who is not in the "top 10%" (again, your number) who goes around "negging" women, thinking that this will make them desire him, is just making a fool out himself.

If you are fundamentally unattractive to women, you are not going to overcome that using dopey PUA voodoo. Instead of using pick-up lines and "negging" women, try hitting the gym, educating yourself, focusing on your career and learning to do something useful. That's way more attractive.

From what I recall some of the PUA types tell the guys to go to the gym, stop being so hesitant when approaching women, and the such. That's going to work with or without PUA voodoo as it seems we both agree.

A guy that's a '8' in looks is going to get a much more favorable lens by which women will interpret his actions (negging, legitimate introductory lines, etc.) than a '4' doing the same things.

While women here may be smarter than the average bear in terms of detecting PUA voodoo, the PUA isn't going to give a shit -- he's focused on what the average '7+' woman is thinking/wanting and adjusting his game until he either gives up entirely (he's part of the 30%) or starts getting more success. Of course this being the Internet, we can all be awash in Playboy-quality tail.

Did I mention my eight-pack?

"They don't notice that lots of other people, good and bad, have trouble meeting guys."

---Messed up that line - meant to say that they don't notice that lots of other people, men and women, good and bad, have trouble meeting romantic partners.

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The "bad boys" who are "dicks" to women, but still get laid, are guys who are already in the "top 10%" (using your own numbers). That's why women put up with their BS.

A schlub, who is not in the "top 10%" (again, your number) who goes around "negging" women, thinking that this will make them desire him, is just making a fool out himself.

If you are fundamentally unattractive to women, you are not going to overcome that using dopey PUA voodoo. Instead of using pick-up lines and "negging" women, try hitting the gym, educating yourself, focusing on your career and learning to do something useful. That's way more attractive.

Well, there's also the women who stay with the physically or psychologically abusive guys either because they're scared or because of some defect in their own psychology that makes that sort of thing attractive to them. Seeing the 10% and the abusers get women makes some segment of the other guys (who probably regard themselves as being mostly decent but invisible to women) easy marks for grifters selling PUA tips. These dupes lack perspective. They don't notice the assholes who don't female attention. They don't notice that lots of other people, good and bad, have trouble meeting guys. They see non-representative slices of the population in the media - movie stars, athletes, rock stars, porn - and all of that seeps in.

Anyway, there are a lot of guys who fundamentally don't trust that being better people will actually make them more attractive to women. They notice the dicks with a lot of women. And they notice the nice guys women ignore. Regardless of the percentages, a confirmation bias sets in. And this makes them easy marks for the guys selling PUA strategies.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Yeah and I'm sure that works a charm. I mean, what woman wouldn't want to get with a side who insulted her as a means of flirting and needs to read a manual to learn basic human social interaction? I'm sure you have the ladies beating down your door... (Hence the need for you to read books on how to talk to them)

Women only seem to beat down the door for about 10% of the dudes. There are probably another 60% of us who are tolerable to one degree or another. And 30% are just unfuckable. (Caution: statistics have been pulled out of my rectum and may not be accurate.) The tricks are for those guys in the 60% who desperately want women to treat them like they treat the 10%. (The 30% probably want that too, but nothing is going to work for them, even by accident.)

The "bad boys" who are "dicks" to women, but still get laid, are guys who are already in the "top 10%" (using your own numbers). That's why women put up with their BS.

A schlub, who is not in the "top 10%" (again, your number) who goes around "negging" women, thinking that this will make them desire him, is just making a fool out himself.

If you are fundamentally unattractive to women, you are not going to overcome that using dopey PUA voodoo. Instead of using pick-up lines and "negging" women, try hitting the gym, educating yourself, focusing on your career and learning to do something useful. That's way more attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Yeah and I'm sure that works a charm. I mean, what woman wouldn't want to get with a side who insulted her as a means of flirting and needs to read a manual to learn basic human social interaction? I'm sure you have the ladies beating down your door... (Hence the need for you to read books on how to talk to them)

Women only seem to beat down the door for about 10% of the dudes. There are probably another 60% of us who are tolerable to one degree or another. And 30% are just unfuckable. (Caution: statistics have been pulled out of my rectum and may not be accurate.) The tricks are for those guys in the 60% who desperately want women to treat them like they treat the 10%. (The 30% probably want that too, but nothing is going to work for them, even by accident.)

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Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

Yeah and I'm sure that works a charm. I mean, what woman wouldn't want to get with a side who insulted her as a means of flirting and needs to read a manual to learn basic human social interaction? I'm sure you have the ladies beating down your door... (Hence the need for you to read books on how to talk to them)

Anonymous wrote:Okay all you PUA guys, what do you do if you don't want just a friend and also don't want just a one night stand? Would you neg a woman you wanted to date, or get to know better? Why the rush to have sex by the third date

Yes, of course we would. The goal is sex. Anyway, you just dangle the carrot of long-term relationship in front of them, fuck them for a month or so, and then never talk to them again. It's really quite simple.

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And who says I want or will want a long term relationship?

LOL at men thinking all women are desperate for a boyfriend. Keep dreaming bud.

Plenty of women are happy to get laid and have no interest in marriage or a long term setup.

Joke's on you---you are the exception to the rule.

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Have you ever read http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/? He rips PUAs a new asshole on a daily basis and it's so damn funny. My favorite site to laugh mercilessly at redpillers and "pick up artists".

I go there fairly often. I like the main posts, by and large, but the comment section makes me cringe. So often it devolves into a pissing match about which group is the most victimized. I don't go out of my way to gratuitously offend anyone, but the language police are out there in full force. It's a caricature of ivory tower navel-gazing that, imho, undermines the useful efforts of identifying biases and privileges.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. Up until now, this whole PSA thing was a meaningful dialog, a true "public service".
But now I've come and unhinged a perfectly good thread.

You haven't unhinged the thread... You yourself are unhinged.

Do you get it now?

PP was mocking your "unhinged" comment, not misunderstanding it.

If that was "mockery", then I guess anything can qualify these days. I would hate to see his attempt at a genuine joke...

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Anonymous wrote:Right. Up until now, this whole PSA thing was a meaningful dialog, a true "public service".
But now I've come and unhinged a perfectly good thread.

You haven't unhinged the thread... You yourself are unhinged.

Do you get it now?

PP was mocking your "unhinged" comment, not misunderstanding it.

Anonymous wrote:Right. Up until now, this whole PSA thing was a meaningful dialog, a true "public service".
But now I've come and unhinged a perfectly good thread.

You haven't unhinged the thread... You yourself are unhinged.

Do you get it now?

Right. Up until now, this whole PSA thing was a meaningful dialog, a true "public service".
But now I've come and unhinged a perfectly good thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all men can get laid with the same amount of effort.


But the hot, funny, good personality, no-chip-on-their-shoulder men? I think it's relatively easy for them.

Sucks for you, buddy!

There you go making this personal: sounds like a woman with a chip on YOUR shoulder!
FYI I'm in a steady relationship, sex 2X - 3X per week.
I actually never said that (above in red) so not sure why you needed to state the obvious (in green).

Here's the deal
- men pursue sex with women due to the fact women have lower sex drive (otherwise both sexes would pursue one another equally)
- some men's pursuit of sex is pathetically desperate
Ok I agree !!!

But guess what ladies, here is my PSA back to you:
- women pursue validation/emotional/financial support from men
- some women's pursuit of male validation is pathetically desperate


Can we agree that both genders have our pathetic fringe elements, but these don't "define" us

You sound unhinged. And the color coding does not help to dispel that...