Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't upper classes perceived in movies ALWAYS as being white?

There is actually less upper class in America than there is in South America, Europe, or Asia so maybe for a realistic comparison look at those continents because the upper class in the US is very very little.

Upper classes don't like public embarassment and will avoid as much as possible.

No teen pregnancies
Psychiatric help is an embarrassment and therapy is unheard of.
They always dress well and never wear old raggedy clothing even when doing nothing.
They have help such as nannies, maids, cooks, drivers if need be.
They don't intermingle with the lower classes unless it is for business reasons.
They have to have good table manners and kids are taught from a young age not to intermingle with those of lower classes.
The kids go to the best schools that are often private.
Kids learn music and are pressured to marry well or succeed academically.

Many of these are true of old money in the U.S., but I have to disagree about the bolded. Old money with true class is always on a first-name basis with people such as their regular butcher, vet, doctor, housekeeper, gardener, etc. They teach their kids to treat everyone with the utmost respect and grace and treat those who work for them as if they are friends - which they are.

Anonymous wrote:I am laughing so hard. "The True Gentleman" is the creed of the SAE fraternity, and while the sentiments expressed in the poem are quite noble, the SAEs I went to college with were spoiled rich misogynistic snobs whose behavior often typified the worst stereotypes re the privileged.

Anonymous wrote:With re. to children:

Boarding school
Tennis, golf, horseback-riding lessons
Music lessons
Travel

IME, hygiene was hit or miss, manners hit or miss, but everyone seemed to know how to play the piano and play a decent game of tennis, even if they never mentioned such before. Also, almost all go to boarding school for HS if they grew up on the East Coast, but not necessarily if they grew up on the West Coast or Midwest.

Anonymous wrote:I am laughing so hard. "The True Gentleman" is the creed of the SAE fraternity, and while the sentiments expressed in the poem are quite noble, the SAEs I went to college with were spoiled rich misogynistic snobs whose behavior often typified the worst stereotypes re the privileged.

Anonymous wrote:Buy quality and keep it forever (clothes, shoes, cars).

Have nicknames for really common names like John and Elizabeth that sound like "Shep", "Biffy", and "Trip". Use the same 5 names over and over again every generation.

Lots of alcohol and very little food at parties.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't upper classes perceived in movies ALWAYS as being white?

There is actually less upper class in America than there is in South America, Europe, or Asia so maybe for a realistic comparison look at those continents because the upper class in the US is very very little.

Upper classes don't like public embarassment and will avoid as much as possible.

No teen pregnancies
Psychiatric help is an embarrassment and therapy is unheard of.
They always dress well and never wear old raggedy clothing even when doing nothing.
They have help such as nannies, maids, cooks, drivers if need be.
They don't intermingle with the lower classes unless it is for business reasons.
They have to have good table manners and kids are taught from a young age not to intermingle with those of lower classes.
The kids go to the best schools that are often private.
Kids learn music and are pressured to marry well or succeed academically.

Many of these are true of old money in the U.S., but I have to disagree about the bolded. Old money with true class is always on a first-name basis with people such as their regular butcher, vet, doctor, housekeeper, gardener, etc. They teach their kids to treat everyone with the utmost respect and grace and treat those who work for them as if they are friends - which they are.

The White House staff is closer to the Bushes than to the Obamas precisely because the Bushes have spent their entire lives with staff. They are comfortable with them, joke around with them, and are generally very comfortable around the staff because they know where they stand relative to each other. The Obamas, OTOH, have had a more awkward relationship with the staff because they are not used to having so much help.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a decent start, which I learned in college and have at least tried to follow, with more unfortunate failings than I can count. It is from the 1890s, but I believe it has held up well.

The True Gentleman

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland

I like it.

Anonymous wrote:Here is a decent start, which I learned in college and have at least tried to follow, with more unfortunate failings than I can count. It is from the 1890s, but I believe it has held up well.

The True Gentleman

The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety
and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies;
who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity,
or any man of his inferiority or deformity;
who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another;
who does not flatter wealth,
cringe before power,
or boast of his own possessions or achievements;
who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word;
who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own;
and who appears well in any company;
a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.

John Walter Wayland

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't upper classes perceived in movies ALWAYS as being white?

There is actually less upper class in America than there is in South America, Europe, or Asia so maybe for a realistic comparison look at those continents because the upper class in the US is very very little.

Upper classes don't like public embarassment and will avoid as much as possible.

No teen pregnancies
Psychiatric help is an embarrassment and therapy is unheard of.
They always dress well and never wear old raggedy clothing even when doing nothing.
They have help such as nannies, maids, cooks, drivers if need be.
They don't intermingle with the lower classes unless it is for business reasons.
They have to have good table manners and kids are taught from a young age not to intermingle with those of lower classes.
The kids go to the best schools that are often private.
Kids learn music and are pressured to marry well or succeed academically.

Many of these are true of old money in the U.S., but I have to disagree about the bolded. Old money with true class is always on a first-name basis with people such as their regular butcher, vet, doctor, housekeeper, gardener, etc. They teach their kids to treat everyone with the utmost respect and grace and treat those who work for them as if they are friends - which they are.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aren't upper classes perceived in movies ALWAYS as being white?

There is actually less upper class in America than there is in South America, Europe, or Asia so maybe for a realistic comparison look at those continents because the upper class in the US is very very little.

Upper classes don't like public embarassment and will avoid as much as possible.

No teen pregnancies
Psychiatric help is an embarrassment and therapy is unheard of.
They always dress well and never wear old raggedy clothing even when doing nothing.
They have help such as nannies, maids, cooks, drivers if need be.
They don't intermingle with the lower classes unless it is for business reasons.
They have to have good table manners and kids are taught from a young age not to intermingle with those of lower classes.
The kids go to the best schools that are often private.
Kids learn music and are pressured to marry well or succeed academically.

Many of these are true of old money in the U.S., but I have to disagree about the bolded. Old money with true class is always on a first-name basis with people such as their regular butcher, vet, doctor, housekeeper, gardener, etc. They teach their kids to treat everyone with the utmost respect and grace and treat those who work for them as if they are friends - which they are.