Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 12:48     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
and something I don't think has been mentioned but once or twice, the OPs issue with the others using her room and not giving her a refund.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 12:46     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:I'd also point out that "refund" is not really the correct word here. A refund is giving back the money that somebody gave TO YOU. The result of a refund is that the refunding party is not "out" any money. As I understand it, this money was never in your friends hands, but with the rental company. You are asking your friends to spend their own money on something they never intended. It is not a refund.


Good point. You are asking "Is it fair to ask my friends to cover my share in my absence?"
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 12:39     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is not a refund! What OP is talking about is a request for a bail-out. The other families are not in possession of the money to give back to her.


Actually, they might be, but it's not their responsibility to cover OP who wants to bail on vacation. Why should they eat her portion if the trip because she doesn't want to go?


But that is my point. "Refund" implies that everything reverts to status quo. Nobody is out anything. (I give you back the shirt, you give me back the money I paid for it.) What she is asking to do is transfer the cost from her to her friends. That is not a refund.


Oh I see. Yes, that's correct.

My guess - OP returning her room to her friends She won't use it - so she returns it.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 12:21     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is not a refund! What OP is talking about is a request for a bail-out. The other families are not in possession of the money to give back to her.


Actually, they might be, but it's not their responsibility to cover OP who wants to bail on vacation. Why should they eat her portion if the trip because she doesn't want to go?


But that is my point. "Refund" implies that everything reverts to status quo. Nobody is out anything. (I give you back the shirt, you give me back the money I paid for it.) What she is asking to do is transfer the cost from her to her friends. That is not a refund.


Oh I see. Yes, that's correct.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 10:29     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is not a refund! What OP is talking about is a request for a bail-out. The other families are not in possession of the money to give back to her.


Actually, they might be, but it's not their responsibility to cover OP who wants to bail on vacation. Why should they eat her portion if the trip because she doesn't want to go?


But that is my point. "Refund" implies that everything reverts to status quo. Nobody is out anything. (I give you back the shirt, you give me back the money I paid for it.) What she is asking to do is transfer the cost from her to her friends. That is not a refund.


Absolutely correct and the reason why she has no case for what she considers a "refund". If her friends offer to off-set her costs, that's one thing. And if they were able to get another (paying) family to take her place, that would be the right thing to do. But, she's pulling out at the last minute for no good reason and has no right to expect them to pay for changing her mind.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 10:24     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is not a refund! What OP is talking about is a request for a bail-out. The other families are not in possession of the money to give back to her.


Actually, they might be, but it's not their responsibility to cover OP who wants to bail on vacation. Why should they eat her portion if the trip because she doesn't want to go?


But that is my point. "Refund" implies that everything reverts to status quo. Nobody is out anything. (I give you back the shirt, you give me back the money I paid for it.) What she is asking to do is transfer the cost from her to her friends. That is not a refund.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 10:20     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:It is not a refund! What OP is talking about is a request for a bail-out. The other families are not in possession of the money to give back to her.


Actually, they might be, but it's not their responsibility to cover OP who wants to bail on vacation. Why should they eat her portion if the trip because she doesn't want to go?
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 10:00     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:OP you sound impossible.

FWIW, I agree with others that you won't be t the beach for 8 hours with a 6 year old. And whether you are there for 2 hours or 8, this is a beach. With an ocean. So either way, you or your H will need to be near that child. You will not be able to relax on the beach with a book all day regardless.


Do you seriously think there is an H still sticking around after reading this thread? I am sure he bailed long ago. Actually, maybe that's the solution. Trade weekends with the H and give snowflake to him for the weekend and then you can get your groove on at the beach without being bothered by DC.

Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:42     Subject: Re:Is it fair to ask for a refund?
It is not a refund! What OP is talking about is a request for a bail-out. The other families are not in possession of the money to give back to her.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:38     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
No, it's not fair to ask for a refund.

You will lose two sets of family friends if you ask for that refund. Just go a few days, and if your kid is ok, then stay at the beach.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:37     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:

I don't think that has been the point. The point it whether its fair to ask for a refund and the general consensus is "no" because a broken arm isn't the end of the world and the trip is only two weeks away. If its no big deal - fine - don't go. But don't ask for a refund either.


I don't think even for "an end of the world reason" you can ask for a refund. You could ask that if they are able to find a paying replacement family to do so. If something tragic did happen, like a death, even then you shouldn't ask but they would probably offer.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:36     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:OP you sound impossible.

FWIW, I agree with others that you won't be t the beach for 8 hours with a 6 year old. And whether you are there for 2 hours or 8, this is a beach. With an ocean. So either way, you or your H will need to be near that child. You will not be able to relax on the beach with a book all day regardless.


no kidding. I have a seven year old and so far have never been able to "just relax" at the beach or pool. for the first time last weekend - I was able to read one chapter of a book while DD played with a friend in the pool.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:35     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised everyone treats one week on a beach like never-to-be-missed-at-all-costs, drag-along-your-injured-child event. "Suck it up and go."

It's just a week on a beach. No big deal. No lives will be ruined. We can go there pretty much amy time we want.

Geez, like some of you never get out.


No one is required to suck it up and go, but the other people in the house aren't obligated to pay your share of the house just because you decide not to. You decide to bail on the trip, you still pay your share unless you can find a suitable family (i.e., one everyone can agree on) to take your place.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:33     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised everyone treats one week on a beach like never-to-be-missed-at-all-costs, drag-along-your-injured-child event. "Suck it up and go."

It's just a week on a beach. No big deal. No lives will be ruined. We can go there pretty much amy time we want.

Geez, like some of you never get out.


I don't think that has been the point. The point it whether its fair to ask for a refund and the general consensus is "no" because a broken arm isn't the end of the world and the trip is only two weeks away. If its no big deal - fine - don't go. But don't ask for a refund either.
Anonymous
Post 06/02/2015 09:26     Subject: Is it fair to ask for a refund?
OP you sound impossible.

FWIW, I agree with others that you won't be t the beach for 8 hours with a 6 year old. And whether you are there for 2 hours or 8, this is a beach. With an ocean. So either way, you or your H will need to be near that child. You will not be able to relax on the beach with a book all day regardless.