Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, even if true, and I'm not totally sold on that, the white/black caste system in the south made it much easier for whites to buy/own land and generally succeed than their black neighbors. Maybe not on the backs of slaves. But, at a much better advantage than black americans. So, don't congratulate yourself (the collective you) at your families self-made wealth. Even if they worked hard for it, they had significant advantages that tilted things in their favor.

You're addressing my response with this. Nobody's arguing with it. It's the notion that everyone's trust fund in the south is slavery money that is the problem. All of that went poof in 1865. I don't have data, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's northern trust funds tied to it though. We'd need a whole new thread....

No, it did not. And if you're going to make such an outlandish, uneducated opinion, you need to source it.I like how you do the southern deb thing of trying sweetly to imply it was those damn Yankees that stole your granddaddy's family fortune. Get a book and learn: the entire US economy - North and South - benefited enormously from the unpaid, enforced labor of Africans and their descendants.

I'm sorry you need a "source," but I will offer the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in 1865. It formally ended slavery and with it the value of wealth held in slaves. Hence, "poof."

And I haven't seen a post in this thread about yankees, damned or otherwise, stealing anything. Maybe I missed it.

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, even if true, and I'm not totally sold on that, the white/black caste system in the south made it much easier for whites to buy/own land and generally succeed than their black neighbors. Maybe not on the backs of slaves. But, at a much better advantage than black americans. So, don't congratulate yourself (the collective you) at your families self-made wealth. Even if they worked hard for it, they had significant advantages that tilted things in their favor.

You're addressing my response with this. Nobody's arguing with it. It's the notion that everyone's trust fund in the south is slavery money that is the problem. All of that went poof in 1865. I don't have data, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's northern trust funds tied to it though. We'd need a whole new thread....

No, it did not. And if you're going to make such an outlandish, uneducated opinion, you need to source it.

I like how you do the southern deb thing of trying sweetly to imply it was those damn Yankees that stole your granddaddy's family fortune. Get a book and learn: the entire US economy - North and South - benefited enormously from the unpaid, enforced labor of Africans and their descendants.

Ok, even if true, and I'm not totally sold on that, the white/black caste system in the south made it much easier for whites to buy/own land and generally succeed than their black neighbors. Maybe not on the backs of slaves. But, at a much better advantage than black americans. So, don't congratulate yourself (the collective you) at your families self-made wealth. Even if they worked hard for it, they had significant advantages that tilted things in their favor.

You're addressing my response with this. Nobody's arguing with it. It's the notion that everyone's trust fund in the south is slavery money that is the problem. All of that went poof in 1865. I don't have data, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's northern trust funds tied to it though. We'd need a whole new thread....

The discussion sounds more like the Communist Party's propaganda now - essentially all western wealth was resulted from the slavery of the people in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

When you have workers work 18 hours a day to make iPhones while getting paid near to nothing, isn't that modern slavery? But looks like everyone is fine with the California high tech rich.

Anonymous wrote:Haha. Sweetie. We're a whole different breed than your billionaire prep school friends. An older and harder to crack breed.

Crack breed?!? lol!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old Southern money = slave holder wealth. In other words, your rich southern ancestors stole the labor of enslaved blacks. It's a pretty simple explanation, but it's not pretty.

Well, you haven't read the last several posts. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh?

Ok, even if true, and I'm not totally sold on that, the white/black caste system in the south made it much easier for whites to buy/own land and generally succeed than their black neighbors. Maybe not on the backs of slaves. But, at a much better advantage than black americans. So, don't congratulate yourself (the collective you) at your families self-made wealth. Even if they worked hard for it, they had significant advantages that tilted things in their favor.

Anonymous wrote:

You need some perspective. Coming from someone with a pedigree 7 generations in the South.

That's not a pedigree, honey, that is an albatross.

Call me whatever you want. My father is a European immigrant, my mother's side has been here since 1600's.

Anonymous wrote:Good lord there are some racist people here, and I am not referring to white people

Good lord there are some racist people here, and I AM referring to white people--especially YOU!

Good lord there are some racist people here, and I am not referring to white people

Anonymous wrote:

You need some perspective. Coming from someone with a pedigree 7 generations in the South.

That's not a pedigree, honey, that is an albatross.

I think the PP was on your side!

You need some perspective. Coming from someone with a pedigree 7 generations in the South.

That's not a pedigree, honey, that is an albatross.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old Southern money = slave holder wealth. In other words, your rich southern ancestors stole the labor of enslaved blacks. It's a pretty simple explanation, but it's not pretty.

Well, you haven't read the last several posts. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh?

And you shouldn't let history get in the way of your romanticized view of the south. Let me guess: You go around saying that the Civil War (oops, the War of Northern Aggression) was really about "states rights," right? You just leave out the part about the War being about states' rights...to own other human beings. You sound like a KKKassy guy/gal.

Well bless your heart. Others have explained that wealth connected to slavery was destroyed by the war. It wasn't "handed down" to anyone. If it makes you feel better to cling to your dogma, go ahead and do so.

You need some perspective. Coming from someone with a pedigree 7 generations in the South.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old Southern money = slave holder wealth. In other words, your rich southern ancestors stole the labor of enslaved blacks. It's a pretty simple explanation, but it's not pretty.

Well, you haven't read the last several posts. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, eh?

And you shouldn't let history get in the way of your romanticized view of the south. Let me guess: You go around saying that the Civil War (oops, the War of Northern Aggression) was really about "states rights," right? You just leave out the part about the War being about states' rights...to own other human beings. You sound like a KKKassy guy/gal.

Well bless your heart. Others have explained that wealth connected to slavery was destroyed by the war. It wasn't "handed down" to anyone. If it makes you feel better to cling to your dogma, go ahead and do so.

No, one PP gave one unsourced, half-assed answer that she probably got from her granddaddy. Generational southern wealth did not just poof out of existence after the war. And as another PP did explain, Jim Crow basically continued slavery. Or are you suggesting sharecroppers, for one example, got the long end of that deal? Listen, it was hard for me, as a white person, to recognize that the economic growth of America was hugely powered by the forced labor of Africans and their descendants, but this bizarre insistence on the myths of the dear Old South is just embarrassing.

Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone here understands that even though slavery officially ended, jim crow de facto slavery existed in the south well into the 20th century. So yes if you're wealthy and form the south, especially generational wealth you're complicit.

Yes. Thank you!

I hope everyone here understands that even though slavery officially ended, jim crow de facto slavery existed in the south well into the 20th century. So yes if you're wealthy and form the south, especially generational wealth you're complicit.