And what difference does it make, at this point?

Anonymous wrote:

The NAMED TEACHERS were classroom teachers.

No. Not on the committees of those who wrote the standards

The NAMED TEACHERS were classroom teachers.

Anonymous wrote:

We've been through this already. It's boring. Teachers have been NAMED. Then the response to the NAMING of the TEACHERS was, "Those teachers don't count."

Maybe, because they weren't classroom teachers? Please tell me which of those who were on the development committees were teachers.

Anonymous wrote:

What I want to know is -- what difference does it make, in 2015? Even if you were right, which you're not, and no teachers were involved, what difference does it make now? What is your goal? Does it go like this?

Empty argument. You have given no rationale that the standards are good or appropriate. Just because you think so or you like them is not enough.

What I want to know is -- what difference does it make, in 2015? Even if you were right, which you're not, and no teachers were involved, what difference does it make now? What is your goal? Does it go like this?

We've been through this already. It's boring. Teachers have been NAMED. Then the response to the NAMING of the TEACHERS was, "Those teachers don't count."

Anonymous wrote:

You keep quoting this as if it's specific. It's vague and general. WHAT TEACHERS? NAME THEM!

You won't be able to, because all the input and feedback was for show.

Anonymous wrote:

You'd be very wrong on that. Many people are arguing against Pearson.

Anonymous wrote:Jesus FUCKING christ with the "no classroom teachers were involved" nonsense again and again.

Stop already. Teachers WERE involved.

"Teachers played a critical role in development
The Common Core State Standards drafting process relied on teachers and standards experts from across the country. Teachers were involved in the development process in four ways:

- They served on the Work Groups and Feedback Groups for the ELA and math standards.

- The National Education Association (NEA), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM), and National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE), among other organizations were instrumental in bringing together teachers to provide specific, constructive feedback on the standards

- Teachers were members of teams states convened to provide regular feedback on drafts of the standards.

- Teachers provided input on the Common Core State Standards during the two public comment periods."

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/

This has been shown to you a dozen times already. Just stop with the bullshit and the lies already!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Your circular logic is hilarious.

The standards ARE good. They were not written by Pearson. But even if they were, they're still good standards.

Please see a physician about your mental problems.


You've lost the battle when you can only attack personally.




I won the battle pages ago. I attack personally because I'm exasperated by the badgering by a muttering idiot who keeps repeating the same inanities.

LOL! You think there is only one person arguing with you on this thread?

Anonymous wrote:

What proof do you have that the old state standards were any good, exactly?

I teach. The old MD standards were bad. Do you have any proof that they were good? The writing standards (and the MSA test that tested mastery of the standards) were useless -- almost non existant. What proof do you have that they were good? Show me!