If you want your Frats, you can keep them, but put a police station on Fraternity Row at every campus in America.

I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:After the lacrosse bludgeoning murder of a coed in her dorm room, the abduction/murders in rediculously high violent crime rate Charlottesville and the UVA tradition of blind drunk goofball preppy dressing mixed with sexual violence and bullying a pattern has been established. This disturbing atmosphere explains the shocking lack of notable / influential UVA alumni. UVA appears to be treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and delusionary fantasies of intellect. There are a lot of "Ted Knight in Caddyshack" goofballs terrified about prison right now.

UVA alum here: We get the alum news. It is a group of very powerful and well connected people. There are some who partied, but there are others who are in very powerful positions in life.

"Well connected" isn't leadership ,influential, smart , creative or productive. It's nepotism and lazy.

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I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

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There are mentally unstable women, just like there are shitty men. Maybe, she had an issue with someone in the frat. Maybe she is enjoying the attention coming from this claim, even if she's remaining anonymous. To be honest, I really don't like suggesting that she is lying, especially when she very well might not be, it's a very ugly accusation to make. But let's be real. Women are capable of bad behavior too, just like men are. I don't necessarily think she is lying, but I don't think the evidence is there to make the assumptions that everyone seems to be making.

You are living in an island could denial. This isn't some random allegation, don't you think journalists vet sources before publishing? If not, get familar with the real world.

Anonymous wrote:I would be embarrassed to say that my child was in a fraternity.

True. Greek life is for posers and trashy drunks.

I'll bet Dartmouth is happy Rolling Stone has turned the attention away from their cesspool frats to UVA's. These schools hate when the truth comes out.

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I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

There are mentally unstable women, just like there are shitty men. Maybe, she had an issue with someone in the frat. Maybe she is enjoying the attention coming from this claim, even if she's remaining anonymous. To be honest, I really don't like suggesting that she is lying, especially when she very well might not be, it's a very ugly accusation to make. But let's be real. Women are capable of bad behavior too, just like men are. I don't necessarily think she is lying, but I don't think the evidence is there to make the assumptions that everyone seems to be making.

I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.


I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

+1

I'd say that a few too many people at UVA, including the president, have been a little too concerned about "tarnishing the reputation" and not concerned enough about truth and justice.

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I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

I was assaulted at Boston University by a guy from Potomac.

I posted earlier and have since read at least 1 post about the women at UVA might have been from rural areas and lacked life experience. When/where I went to undergrad had many from major metropolitan areas.

Few rural- rape and frat shit still happened.

Anonymous wrote:After the lacrosse bludgeoning murder of a coed in her dorm room, the abduction/murders in rediculously high violent crime rate Charlottesville and the UVA tradition of blind drunk goofball preppy dressing mixed with sexual violence and bullying a pattern has been established. This disturbing atmosphere explains the shocking lack of notable / influential UVA alumni. UVA appears to be treading water in a sea of retarded sexuality and delusionary fantasies of intellect. There are a lot of "Ted Knight in Caddyshack" goofballs terrified about prison right now.

UVA alum here: We get the alum news. It is a group of very powerful and well connected people. There are some who partied, but there are others who are in very powerful positions in life.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can believe that 7 men are capable of laying a horrific trap for a girl, why can't you also believe that a woman could possibly lie about rape? DCUM's seem way too willing to buy into the mentality that men are dicks and women are saints.

Or you could have read the part where I said false accusations do occur. And you could read what people who have studied rape say: that underreporting is a vastly larger problem than false reports. But you DCUMs - and you're on here, so you count - seem convinced that women cry rape (frequently! all the time!) because it's so gosh darn exciting to have your entire life put under a microscope.

I never said that I think women cry rape, frequently! All the time! I'm not even saying that I think the woman in this article is lying. But we simply DO NOT have any evidence to make the assumption that the story, especially as reported in RS is factual. I'm shocked and appalled by how most everyone on this sight is automatically making certain assumptions. And no, I am not a UVA graduate and have no special affinity towards fraternities.

I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'll definitely teach my kids to call the police AND me if something bad ever happens to them or their friends.

Clearly you don't have teenagers, but apparently you don't remember being a teen either. What we teach our kids is not always what they learn. Do you think Hannah Graham's parents didn't teach her not to walk around alone at night? Do you think her friends' parents didn't teach them to call for help if their friend texts them to say she's lost at 1 am? Do you think this Rolling Stone girl's parents encouraged her to go to upperclassmen's rooms at drunken frat parties? And her friends' parents told then not to report crimes if they'll look uncool?

Sadly, you can teach teenagers until you are blue in the face to do the right thing but if they are drunk then all clear thinking goes out the window. Alcohol is a drug that effects the mind and people do stupid horrible things when they are drunk. The safest student on a college campus is a sober one.

I thought the victim in the RS article was sober.

She was sober but the environment she walked into was run by drunk people so she was not safe. Not her fault at all but if alcohol is involved bad things are more likely to happen. A house full of drunk people is not a safe place.