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Anonymous wrote:12:27 - it's sad no one will believe (other than parents) she got there by her own merit. people will always think she got there b/c she is an AA and the system "helped" her.

Are you kidding? That is a view from 25 years ago. People would have to be willfully ignorant to not know that there are URMs in their midst with superior academic qualifications. You need to get out more.

This thought process is prevalent today and right here in this thread. You might go back a few pages to the individual who wanted posters to prove so he could believe that AA and Hispanics were capable of academic excellence.

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Anonymous wrote:12:27 - it's sad no one will believe (other than parents) she got there by her own merit. people will always think she got there b/c she is an AA and the system "helped" her.

Are you kidding? That is a view from 25 years ago. People would have to be willfully ignorant to not know that there are URMs in their midst with superior academic qualifications. You need to get out more.

Anonymous wrote:I am always amazed that non-minorities actually worry about the stigma on URMs from racial preferences. Please don't worry on our behalf. My DD is an AA student at HYP. 2380 SATs and top of her class (Top 3%) at highly competitive private school. 5's on all APs and 800's across the board on subject SATs. Concert violinist with 7 varsity letters and two-sport captain in high school. President of two academic clubs. Funny thing, she doesn't seem to spend much time concerned about what other people think of her qualifications.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not let the market handle this at this point? If Caltech is better at picking students than Harvard, than over time, Harvard will start doing what Caltech is doing. After all, Harvard wants successful alum as much as Caltech does, right? They want that magic combination of big donors and big names in academia and politics and science, right? So, if Caltech's way (of not giving any leg up to students from disadvantaged group) is better at predicting those outcomes, then it will win out. If it isn't, then forcing Harvard to do it their way is forcing Harvard to pick a set of students that isn't as good as what it could have picked with its more "holistic" view. Personally, I'm betting the more holistic view is the better bet. Because I'd rather have an URM student with 50 fewer SAT points because he/she didn't take the prep class but a much greater sense of the real world than yet another white or Asian kid who took Kaplan and Kumon and hasn't dealt with any real adversity in life. But let's let the market decide. now we have an experiment out there in Caltech, so let's see what happens.

To continue the wild generalizations and stereotyping, what about the Asian kids who have come from the same economic background as other you are in the candidates, but who have worked their asses off studying and spending whatever Time they have available on education? Those who go to kaman instead of equally expensive sporting events?

And what about the non-Asian kids who have come from high, middle, and poor economic backgrounds who work their asses off studying and foregoing sports, etc, and who could not afford expensive Kaplan preps and met and exceeded labeled expectations but are still under the label of affirmative action even though they earned it the good old fashion way.

Sure would be nice to have that label removed.

I personally think sports are important. Stanford has many smart athletes. They add to the 'diversity' of student offerings.

Not sure why you guys think sports isn't important. The guy next door to me who is an awesome golfer makes more money than I do, and my SAT scores definitely blew his out of the water.

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Anonymous wrote:12:27 - it's sad no one will believe (other than parents) she got there by her own merit. people will always think she got there b/c she is an AA and the system "helped" her.

NP, only the racists will think what you obviously believe.

Anonymous wrote:12:27 - it's sad no one will believe (other than parents) she got there by her own merit. people will always think she got there b/c she is an AA and the system "helped" her.

Anonymous wrote:12:27 - it's sad no one will believe (other than parents) she got there by her own merit. people will always think she got there b/c she is an AA and the system "helped" her.

Anonymous wrote:I am always amazed that non-minorities actually worry about the stigma on URMs from racial preferences. Please don't worry on our behalf. My DD is an AA student at HYP. 2380 SATs and top of her class (Top 3%) at highly competitive private school. 5's on all APs and 800's across the board on subject SATs. Concert violinist with 7 varsity letters and two-sport captain in high school. President of two academic clubs. Funny thing, she doesn't seem to spend much time concerned about what other people think of her qualifications.

Anonymous wrote:OMG. No one who reads Michelle Obama's senior thesis can reasonably come away without thinking she deserved to attend an Ivy. I had no idea it was that bad on virtually every level.

Yes, an Asian or Jewish student with higher SATs and a demonstrated ability to compose an English sentence was more deserving of her place at Princeton.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish we had an admission process where the applicant is merely designated with a number and there is no indication of race or other identifying information pertaining to ethnicity.

Then go ahead and use the holistic approach and it would be interesting to see which students were offered admission.

^ but then what if few blacks and Hispanics got using that process? Then you'd have another lawsuit.