Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:41     Subject: Re:Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:WJ has 700 more students and a lot less safety issues and suspensions rate. No weapons at WJ but quite a few at Einstein

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/schools/04424.pdf


http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf


These reports don't look that different to me. Might I remind you that there was an in class stabbing at Walter Johnson in the spring. I still think WJ is a good school though
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:35     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We actually choose the Einstein cluster for our kids. Effortless commute to our offices on the redlin in DC, gorgeous home in Kensington for under 500k. Fantastic Oakland Terrace ES and Newport Mill is a great, under the radar MS that has IB middle years program.

Einstein has so much going for it. It's on the small side which is a plus to me (1500-1600 students). It houses the very competitive Visual Arts Center, offers the IB program and has at least 3 different academies for kids to choose from (Renaissance, International Business, and Visual and Performing Arts). It also has a nice mix of races. It does have a high FARMS rate, about 50%, but I've found MCPS to be very good at providing appropriate academic challenge in our kids' schools which have always had a mixed range of abilities and needs.

My family is white, and when evaluating schools we tend to look at white performance on MSA, SAT, etc. Einstein's white student population performs as well as and sometimes better than what are being referred to as the "good" schools. Einstien's white students had the fifth highest SAT scores for the past school year. Clearly these kids are doing very well. Here's the link to the data:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

While the other racial groups at Einstein are not performing at the same level as a whole, that does not mean that they are terrible, underachievers. They are by and large bright, hard working kids who have a lot to offer. Most of these kids go on to college and are well prepared to do so. Just because a student doesn't get a 5 on an AP exam doesn't mean the student learned nothing. Research has shown that taking AP classes in high school, regardless of the scores, is great preparation for college. I love that MCPS offers challenging classes to anyone who wants to take them.

Off my soap box now.





Why are you only looking at white scores? Why does it matter what the race breakdown of the school is? You should only be concerned with the test, SAT scores and poverty rates.


Because I'm pretty sure Jay Matthews told me this was the best way to evaluate a school with a diverse ses and ethnic student population. This was also my experience growing up in city schools myself. The white kids in the Einstein cluster are a pretty homogenous middle/upper middle class group with college educated parents. How these kids perform is a very good indicator of how my kids will perform at the same school.

The performance of FARMS, black and Hispanic kids at Einstein are important to me, but there are many issues factoring into their performance that I don't understand and can't identify with. But I like these kids and they are my kids' friends. Getting a C in a class doesn't mean you're ruining the class with your presence. Earning an SAT score that is in line with the national average doesn't make you a useless waste case not fit to sit next to my child in a class.

Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:16     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:If you are white and upper middle class your child will do well even if they go to Einstein. Look at the breakdown on the at a glance by race. It's enlightening. This is why people who love in Woodside and Forest Glen are happy with Einstein. It's a smart school, with diversity, less pressure but still has IB and AP classes and a place for highly successful kids. I repose that there are people on this thread who don't want to hear that other people made different choices and are ok with those choices but people who have more experience with the DCC schools understand that there are plenty of successful kids coming out of these schools.


Meant to say it is a smaller school, not smart school.

I posted around same time as previous poster and hadn't seen hat response yet.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:11     Subject: Re:Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:WJ has 700 more students and a lot less safety issues and suspensions rate. No weapons at WJ but quite a few at Einstein

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/schools/04424.pdf

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf


Are you worried about your student getting suspended, if they go to the same school as students who get suspended?
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:09     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People want W schools for a reason, better test scores, more involved parents and stronger PTA and less of a chance your kid will get stabbed in the hallway or have their designer jacket stolen.


... access to lots of designer drugs, nice cars in the parking lot, spoiled kids. Yep, I want to live in the W cluster.


Hey, at least those kids can pass standardized tests and will go to college!


And while at college, those same kids will continue to take the designer drugs, Adderall to keep up the grades, will expect mommy and daddy to pay for everything and pout and stomp when they don't get their way, and their parents will come on to DCUM complaining about how their special snowflake is so unappreciative, expects their own off-campus apartment (not a studio mind you), and refuses to get a job to help pay for college. Oh sorry, these kids don't need jobs. Their parents are going to pay for everything, and then some after they graduate.

Yea, kids from those non W schools don't pass standardized tests or go to college.


Just keep telling yourself that. Better yet, teach your children these same superlatives, stereotypes and bigotry.
Yes, all 2k students at each Whitman, Churchill, Wooten, BCC, Walter Johnson: They All Suk and are Drug Addicts.
Oh, and their parents suk too. All of them.
They all live in snowflake land and don't have a lick of common sense, compassion or work ethic. They just suk. The are all loaded, don't work much and suk.


Stereotypes and generalizations, right? That goes both ways. That was my point to the ^^^PP about the W and non W schools - stereotypes and generalizations go both ways.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:05     Subject: Re:Can "bad" schools get better?
WJ has 700 more students and a lot less safety issues and suspensions rate. No weapons at WJ but quite a few at Einstein

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/schools/04424.pdf


http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/SafetyGlance/currentyear/schools/04789.pdf
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 21:02     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Why are you only looking at white scores? Why does it matter what the race breakdown of the school is? You should only be concerned with the test, SAT scores and poverty rates.


Why?


because those kids may negatively influence your white high achiever!
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 20:59     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:

Why are you only looking at white scores? Why does it matter what the race breakdown of the school is? You should only be concerned with the test, SAT scores and poverty rates.


Why?
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 20:55     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:We actually choose the Einstein cluster for our kids. Effortless commute to our offices on the redlin in DC, gorgeous home in Kensington for under 500k. Fantastic Oakland Terrace ES and Newport Mill is a great, under the radar MS that has IB middle years program.

Einstein has so much going for it. It's on the small side which is a plus to me (1500-1600 students). It houses the very competitive Visual Arts Center, offers the IB program and has at least 3 different academies for kids to choose from (Renaissance, International Business, and Visual and Performing Arts). It also has a nice mix of races. It does have a high FARMS rate, about 50%, but I've found MCPS to be very good at providing appropriate academic challenge in our kids' schools which have always had a mixed range of abilities and needs.

My family is white, and when evaluating schools we tend to look at white performance on MSA, SAT, etc. Einstein's white student population performs as well as and sometimes better than what are being referred to as the "good" schools. Einstien's white students had the fifth highest SAT scores for the past school year. Clearly these kids are doing very well. Here's the link to the data:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

While the other racial groups at Einstein are not performing at the same level as a whole, that does not mean that they are terrible, underachievers. They are by and large bright, hard working kids who have a lot to offer. Most of these kids go on to college and are well prepared to do so. Just because a student doesn't get a 5 on an AP exam doesn't mean the student learned nothing. Research has shown that taking AP classes in high school, regardless of the scores, is great preparation for college. I love that MCPS offers challenging classes to anyone who wants to take them.

Off my soap box now.





Why are you only looking at white scores? Why does it matter what the race breakdown of the school is? You should only be concerned with the test, SAT scores and poverty rates.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 20:54     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
If you are white and upper middle class your child will do well even if they go to Einstein. Look at the breakdown on the at a glance by race. It's enlightening. This is why people who love in Woodside and Forest Glen are happy with Einstein. It's a smart school, with diversity, less pressure but still has IB and AP classes and a place for highly successful kids. I repose that there are people on this thread who don't want to hear that other people made different choices and are ok with those choices but people who have more experience with the DCC schools understand that there are plenty of successful kids coming out of these schools.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 20:48     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
We actually choose the Einstein cluster for our kids. Effortless commute to our offices on the redlin in DC, gorgeous home in Kensington for under 500k. Fantastic Oakland Terrace ES and Newport Mill is a great, under the radar MS that has IB middle years program.

Einstein has so much going for it. It's on the small side which is a plus to me (1500-1600 students). It houses the very competitive Visual Arts Center, offers the IB program and has at least 3 different academies for kids to choose from (Renaissance, International Business, and Visual and Performing Arts). It also has a nice mix of races. It does have a high FARMS rate, about 50%, but I've found MCPS to be very good at providing appropriate academic challenge in our kids' schools which have always had a mixed range of abilities and needs.

My family is white, and when evaluating schools we tend to look at white performance on MSA, SAT, etc. Einstein's white student population performs as well as and sometimes better than what are being referred to as the "good" schools. Einstien's white students had the fifth highest SAT scores for the past school year. Clearly these kids are doing very well. Here's the link to the data:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/SATBOEMemo10614.pdf

While the other racial groups at Einstein are not performing at the same level as a whole, that does not mean that they are terrible, underachievers. They are by and large bright, hard working kids who have a lot to offer. Most of these kids go on to college and are well prepared to do so. Just because a student doesn't get a 5 on an AP exam doesn't mean the student learned nothing. Research has shown that taking AP classes in high school, regardless of the scores, is great preparation for college. I love that MCPS offers challenging classes to anyone who wants to take them.

Off my soap box now.



Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 20:00     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People want W schools for a reason, better test scores, more involved parents and stronger PTA and less of a chance your kid will get stabbed in the hallway or have their designer jacket stolen.


... access to lots of designer drugs, nice cars in the parking lot, spoiled kids. Yep, I want to live in the W cluster.


Hey, at least those kids can pass standardized tests and will go to college!


Between 2001 and 2010, 47% of MCPS graduates went to four-year colleges in the fall after graduation. Do the high schools in Bethesda and Potomac account for 47% of MCPS enrollment?

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2012/College%20Enrollment%20Persistence%20and%20Degree%20Attainment%20final.pdf


Graduates implies you graduated. Start there. Then worry about the community college or (gasp) a 4 year university stats.


What is your point? But ok. Between 2001 and 2010, there were 94,232 high school graduates. Did the high schools in Bethesda and Potomac produce 94,232 graduates in 10 years, for an average of 9,423.2 graduates per year.
The total current school capacity of Whitman, Wootton, Walter Johnson, and Churchill combined is 8,385.

Plus also I personally know several people who graduated from non-Bethesda, non-Potomac MCPS high schools during that time period!


I don't know what your real problem is, but HS graduation rates and college acceptance rates are easy to find and more informative.
Many people move to the area only armed with those stats. And maybe DCUM because it pops up in many searches for home buying.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 19:58     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
19:54 are you high bro?
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 19:54     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People want W schools for a reason, better test scores, more involved parents and stronger PTA and less of a chance your kid will get stabbed in the hallway or have their designer jacket stolen.


... access to lots of designer drugs, nice cars in the parking lot, spoiled kids. Yep, I want to live in the W cluster.


Hey, at least those kids can pass standardized tests and will go to college!


And while at college, those same kids will continue to take the designer drugs, Adderall to keep up the grades, will expect mommy and daddy to pay for everything and pout and stomp when they don't get their way, and their parents will come on to DCUM complaining about how their special snowflake is so unappreciative, expects their own off-campus apartment (not a studio mind you), and refuses to get a job to help pay for college. Oh sorry, these kids don't need jobs. Their parents are going to pay for everything, and then some after they graduate.

Yea, kids from those non W schools don't pass standardized tests or go to college.


Just keep telling yourself that. Better yet, teach your children these same superlatives, stereotypes and bigotry.
Yes, all 2k students at each Whitman, Churchill, Wooten, BCC, Walter Johnson: They All Suk and are Drug Addicts.
Oh, and their parents suk too. All of them.
They all live in snowflake land and don't have a lick of common sense, compassion or work ethic. They just suk. The are all loaded, don't work much and suk.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2014 19:46     Subject: Can "bad" schools get better?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People want W schools for a reason, better test scores, more involved parents and stronger PTA and less of a chance your kid will get stabbed in the hallway or have their designer jacket stolen.


shorter commute downtown + good test scores + engaged student body/community.

nothing more, nothing less. stop trying to create a racist, narrow-minded anything of those three attributes.


Hyattsville and College Park have short commutes but I don't see anyone flocking over to that side of town.


Perhaps you aren't looking.