Anonymous wrote:I am one of the posters who called a post hysterical (the one about our hospitals quickly becoming overwhelmed).

It seems that others are using hysterical in the medical sense. Hysteria (or female hysteria) hasn't been a medical diagnosis in 50 years.

I'm not accusing anyone of mental illness, I'm accusing some people of getting carried away and coming close to unreasonable panic.

Where do you see "panic"? I am disturbed by your insistence on gaslighting people you don't agree with. Maybe you should see someone about that. By definition, a person who is in a true state of "panic", isn't going to be sitting around coming up with arguments or policy ideas. They'd be out getting tin foil hats or something.
What you mean is that you think those people are being unreasonable. Fine. Say that. You might be right. You might not. But your gaslighting has the intent of covering up that question with your own over-the-top reaction.
The first person who said that lead was a neurotoxin was accused of "panic" and "hysteria" as well. I know him -- he told me. It's a common defense for people that just like to sideline people they disagree with. It's poor behavior.

Sounds like Spain has dropped the ball similar to the first missteps in Dallas. So much of this info is contradictory - staff saying that their protective suits didn't meet WHO regulations, while Spanish authorities insist that WHO protocols are always followed; the nurse practically having to force them to test her for Ebola; and the nurse waiting in the emergency room separated from others by a curtain, while authorities insist she was isolated immediately.

"Staff at the hospital where she worked told El País that the protective suits they were given did not meet World Health Organisation (WHO) standards, which specify that suits must be impermeable and include breathing apparatus. Staff also pointed to latex gloves secured with adhesive tape as an example of how the suits were not impermeable and noted that they did not have their own breathing equipment. [...] Spanish health authorities have said that professionals treating Ebola patients in Spain always follow WHO protocols."

"El Mundo reported that it was the nurse who asked to be tested for Ebola, having to insist repeatedly on being tested before it was done on Monday."

"While staff at the Alcorcón hospital were waiting for the test results, the nurse remained in a bed in the emergency room, separated only by curtains from other patients, hospital staff told El Mundo. Their version of events clashes with that of health authorities, who have said the patient was isolated from the first moment."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/07/ebola-crisis-substandard-equipment-nurse-positive-spain

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Also, you're changing your tune now, but what you originally labeled "hysteria" was a person asking why it was a stretch that one person might infect a plane full of people, if the Spanish nurse got it from being in the same room with an infected patient. No exclamation points involved, even. Not even a statement. A question. But, a person must be marginalized -- and accused of mental illness -- just for asking the question in your world. Gee, I wonder why our dialogue in this country is at such a low level.
Also, if you think "not using an airplane bathroom" or "not taking the metro" are extreme actions, then, um, wow. I wonder what would happen if you actually saw an extreme action.

Hysteria lady does not know Ebola. I work in the field. The World Health/CDC is shitting their pants because they know we did not contain it in Africa and now it is going to be very hard to contain. This is not 'hysteria'. This is fact.

I work at the CDC. What department are you in? You optionon on this matter confuses me.

What does "optionon this matter" mean?

I am one of the posters who called a post hysterical (the one about our hospitals quickly becoming overwhelmed).

It seems that others are using hysterical in the medical sense. Hysteria (or female hysteria) hasn't been a medical diagnosis in 50 years.

I'm not accusing anyone of mental illness, I'm accusing some people of getting carried away and coming close to unreasonable panic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

I see. So stating an opinion that you believe is wrong equals hysteria. No one has taken *any* action at all, but you think that stating an opinion (which you then add an exclamation point after), makes a person hysterical. Ok. I think your reaction to opinions you disagree with meets the definition of hysteria that you are applying.
The world would be so much better if people could discuss points they disagree with without marginalizing or gaslighting other people. But do it your way.

Nope. Reacting in an extreme way because of fear equals hysteria. That's not my definition, that's the dictionary's definition. Are you really trying to argue that your statement that a single person (who has passed a temperature check) will infect a whole plane isn't an extreme reaction? Do you really think it isn't extreme to advocate closing the borders after one diagnosed case??

Let's stop the sensationalistic fear-mongering and I'll be more than happy to have a reasonable discussion with you.

No, that wasn't me. I'm the person saying that your labeling of people who think we should take action (or even be concerned) as "hysterical" is grossly incorrect. I didn't make the other statements. But I *do* think it's very possible for a person to infect many people on an airplane. Here's all it would take: 1) someone not taking the temperature before the flight. We already know this has happened several times at least, from people who experienced it first hand. If we get unlucky and they miss someone with a fever who has Ebola, then a long flight ensues. Bathroom trips, grossness that generally happens on airplanes, flight attendants pickup up used cups. yeah, several people could be infected on one flight. We already have good reason to suspect people have gotten it from surface contact. Other possibility: person is not sick before the flight and gets sick on the flight. That would be quite unlucky, but certainly not impossible.
I do think it's extreme to advocate closing all the borders. I do *not* think it's extreme to advocate closing the borders to people originating from the area where the disease is not controlled. Personally, I disagree with it -- but "wrong" is not the same as "extreme". It's a legitimate policy position worthy of discussion.
I think it's extreme to advocate doing nothing and waiting to see if we get lucky. But I wouldn't call that hysterical. I'd call it wrong.
The person you gaslighted didn't act in any extreme way. If you think discussion merits the accusation of mental illness, you're a bully.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Also, you're changing your tune now, but what you originally labeled "hysteria" was a person asking why it was a stretch that one person might infect a plane full of people, if the Spanish nurse got it from being in the same room with an infected patient. No exclamation points involved, even. Not even a statement. A question. But, a person must be marginalized -- and accused of mental illness -- just for asking the question in your world. Gee, I wonder why our dialogue in this country is at such a low level.
Also, if you think "not using an airplane bathroom" or "not taking the metro" are extreme actions, then, um, wow. I wonder what would happen if you actually saw an extreme action.

Hysteria lady does not know Ebola. I work in the field. The World Health/CDC is shitting their pants because they know we did not contain it in Africa and now it is going to be very hard to contain. This is not 'hysteria'. This is fact.

I work at the CDC. What department are you in? You optionon on this matter confuses me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

I see. So stating an opinion that you believe is wrong equals hysteria. No one has taken *any* action at all, but you think that stating an opinion (which you then add an exclamation point after), makes a person hysterical. Ok. I think your reaction to opinions you disagree with meets the definition of hysteria that you are applying.
The world would be so much better if people could discuss points they disagree with without marginalizing or gaslighting other people. But do it your way.

Nope. Reacting in an extreme way because of fear equals hysteria. That's not my definition, that's the dictionary's definition. Are you really trying to argue that your statement that a single person (who has passed a temperature check) will infect a whole plane isn't an extreme reaction? Do you really think it isn't extreme to advocate closing the borders after one diagnosed case??

Let's stop the sensationalistic fear-mongering and I'll be more than happy to have a reasonable discussion with you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Also, you're changing your tune now, but what you originally labeled "hysteria" was a person asking why it was a stretch that one person might infect a plane full of people, if the Spanish nurse got it from being in the same room with an infected patient. No exclamation points involved, even. Not even a statement. A question. But, a person must be marginalized -- and accused of mental illness -- just for asking the question in your world. Gee, I wonder why our dialogue in this country is at such a low level.
Also, if you think "not using an airplane bathroom" or "not taking the metro" are extreme actions, then, um, wow. I wonder what would happen if you actually saw an extreme action.

Hysteria lady does not know Ebola. I work in the field. The World Health/CDC is shitting their pants because they know we did not contain it in Africa and now it is going to be very hard to contain. This is not 'hysteria'. This is fact.

Yes. Chasing around contacts is going to get really tough once an increased number of infected individuals arrive. I am convinced that many people laughing, anonymously, about wingnuts, bunkers, and hysteria, are themselves waiting for someone else--it's always someone else--to step up and take the obvious steps. But moral preening and sanctimony happen.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Also, you're changing your tune now, but what you originally labeled "hysteria" was a person asking why it was a stretch that one person might infect a plane full of people, if the Spanish nurse got it from being in the same room with an infected patient. No exclamation points involved, even. Not even a statement. A question. But, a person must be marginalized -- and accused of mental illness -- just for asking the question in your world. Gee, I wonder why our dialogue in this country is at such a low level.
Also, if you think "not using an airplane bathroom" or "not taking the metro" are extreme actions, then, um, wow. I wonder what would happen if you actually saw an extreme action.

Hysteria lady does not know Ebola. I work in the field. The World Health/CDC is shitting their pants because they know we did not contain it in Africa and now it is going to be very hard to contain. This is not 'hysteria'. This is fact.

I know. It's the same people who like to act like they're better than others because being worried about anything is uncool. Apathy is so hip. I come from a family of public health physicians and studied epidemiology. I know that even if we get lucky with this one disease (which is not at all certain), the slipshod response shows just how very unprepared we are for any epidemic -- whether it originates elsewhere or here. They basically are just saying "don't worry, we'll never have an epidemic, we don't need to be prepared". It's embarrassingly incompetent. And lack of trust is fomented by the fact that some of the things they told us a week or two ago haven't been true. They said people coming in on those flights were being temp-checked. Some were, some weren't. Sanjay Gupta on CNN said he wasn't -- last week. Is he just lying? Or hysterical? Numerous people I know said they weren't.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Also, you're changing your tune now, but what you originally labeled "hysteria" was a person asking why it was a stretch that one person might infect a plane full of people, if the Spanish nurse got it from being in the same room with an infected patient. No exclamation points involved, even. Not even a statement. A question. But, a person must be marginalized -- and accused of mental illness -- just for asking the question in your world. Gee, I wonder why our dialogue in this country is at such a low level.
Also, if you think "not using an airplane bathroom" or "not taking the metro" are extreme actions, then, um, wow. I wonder what would happen if you actually saw an extreme action.

Hysteria lady does not know Ebola. I work in the field. The World Health/CDC is shitting their pants because they know we did not contain it in Africa and now it is going to be very hard to contain. This is not 'hysteria'. This is fact.

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Also, you're changing your tune now, but what you originally labeled "hysteria" was a person asking why it was a stretch that one person might infect a plane full of people, if the Spanish nurse got it from being in the same room with an infected patient. No exclamation points involved, even. Not even a statement. A question. But, a person must be marginalized -- and accused of mental illness -- just for asking the question in your world. Gee, I wonder why our dialogue in this country is at such a low level.
Also, if you think "not using an airplane bathroom" or "not taking the metro" are extreme actions, then, um, wow. I wonder what would happen if you actually saw an extreme action.

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

I see. So stating an opinion that you believe is wrong equals hysteria. No one has taken *any* action at all, but you think that stating an opinion (which you then add an exclamation point after), makes a person hysterical. Ok. I think your reaction to opinions you disagree with meets the definition of hysteria that you are applying.
The world would be so much better if people could discuss points they disagree with without marginalizing or gaslighting other people. But do it your way.

Let's see. According to Miriam-Webster, hysteria=behaving or reacting in an extreme way because of fear.

Now let's look at some of the things that have been posted here over the last few days, following the announcement of ONE case diagnosed in the US:

--Close the borders!
--The government is lying to us!
--I'm never using another airplane bathroom!
--I'm going to quit riding the Metro!
--One person (who's temperature was taken before check-in) could infect an entire plane!
--Hoardes of West Africans with Ebola are going to start flying to the US!

Yeah, you're right. None of those reactions sound extreme at all.

Anonymous wrote:Just saw the Today Show. Obama basically said we are going to step up precautions by doing nothing. Taking more temperatures at airports will not keep Ebola out. This is a known fact. Once the Ebola carrier leaves the airport he has a continued incubation period and the virus can rear it's ugly head at anytime. The government can't claim ignorance when Ebola starts spreading. They are knowingly allowing Ebola to spread. They have no control once the Ebola carriers leave the airport. These people could infect anyone. Hope the government is ready for lawsuits.

The fact third world countries are doing the screening--temp and forms makes it even less safe to rely on this as the only means.

This is false platitudes. They need to shut down all non-essential travel from West Africa until they get a handle on this pandemic down there.

We are at a fork in the road right now with Ebola and officials are choosing the wrong road!