Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious... And this is a serious question though it does sound snarky and will likely get backlash, but I'd like to understand.
As liberals, we are usually in support of undocumented workers attending our schools, receiving services, and potentially taking slots from so called "legal" residents. Yet, locally, when it impacts us such as in the case with this post (ie legal vs illegal residency) why do we put aside our open and inclusive beliefs when it is in our own local community? Don't you think we should lead by example?
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison, but the underlying issues are the same.

Sure, this one is easy.

I am in favor of the children of undocumented migrants using the school, health and other systems while they are here. No-one gains from having a bunch of kids roaming the streets. It's the humane thing to do, it's the self-interested thing to do, we're rich enough as a country to afford it, and part of this wealth comes from the same immigrants, as others have pointed out.

I also support increased deportations, increased investigation of immigration status, increased border security.

Basically, this is Obama's position. It's rational to simultaneously want to see the kids educated and healthy while here, while also wanting to see the family deported ASAP, where the education can continue in the home country.

For the residency cheaters, the kid gets an American education either way, and I bet that in a lot of residency cheating cases, the "sending school" isn't even that bad, it's just not as good as the "receiving school". I see no compelling policy reason to be lenient and allow people to subvert the sensible and fair rules that are in place. If we want more OOB, we can use set-asides, as proposed by the DME, and people can apply fair and square.

To summarize, it's the difference between a kid having access to ANY school (undocumented migrants) versus having access to a school in a more expensive neighborhood versus a less expensive one.

Anonymous wrote:Just curious... And this is a serious question though it does sound snarky and will likely get backlash, but I'd like to understand.
As liberals, we are usually in support of undocumented workers attending our schools, receiving services, and potentially taking slots from so called "legal" residents. Yet, locally, when it impacts us such as in the case with this post (ie legal vs illegal residency) why do we put aside our open and inclusive beliefs when it is in our own local community? Don't you think we should lead by example?
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison, but the underlying issues are the same.

Anonymous wrote:Just curious... And this is a serious question though it does sound snarky and will likely get backlash, but I'd like to understand.
As liberals, we are usually in support of undocumented workers attending our schools, receiving services, and potentially taking slots from so called "legal" residents. Yet, locally, when it impacts us such as in the case with this post (ie legal vs illegal residency) why do we put aside our open and inclusive beliefs when it is in our own local community? Don't you think we should lead by example?
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison, but the underlying issues are the same.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, please. Just because the OP isn't giving specifics doesn't mean they don't know something. Yes, it sucks that parents are called on to rat each other out, but OSSE doesn't do a good job of finding residency cheaters. There's no danger that a grandparent or babysitter is going to be mistaken for a genuine fraud.

OP, report and move on. They may be legit, maybe not.

This. Report and move on. If it's all good, no harm, foul. I'm legitimately enrolled at a HRCS. If someone called to say I was reported I'd say come on over to my house and have a look, or give them a copy of whatever proof they needed. Done. We live in a city with very limited resources where people have to be vultures to make sure their kid isn't cheated. I get it. Investigate me. Big deal in light of the circumstances. Remember people, honest people have nothing to hide. Also, after enough cheaters get called out, they'll stop. Something has to get this going.

Finally, a reasonable response on this thread.

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Report them. Jeez.

Also, how do you know that they don't live in the house where they say they live? Who does live in that house?

I'm divorced and my child's father and I live in different school districts. Is it possible that something like that is going on here and you are simply not aware?

I know because I live on the block. They categorically do not live in the house they claim to live in.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious... And this is a serious question though it does sound snarky and will likely get backlash, but I'd like to understand.
As liberals, we are usually in support of undocumented workers attending our schools, receiving services, and potentially taking slots from so called "legal" residents. Yet, locally, when it impacts us such as in the case with this post (ie legal vs illegal residency) why do we put aside our open and inclusive beliefs when it is in our own local community? Don't you think we should lead by example?
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison, but the underlying issues are the same.

So true.

Anonymous wrote:Just curious... And this is a serious question though it does sound snarky and will likely get backlash, but I'd like to understand.
As liberals, we are usually in support of undocumented workers attending our schools, receiving services, and potentially taking slots from so called "legal" residents. Yet, locally, when it impacts us such as in the case with this post (ie legal vs illegal residency) why do we put aside our open and inclusive beliefs when it is in our own local community? Don't you think we should lead by example?
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison, but the underlying issues are the same.

Anonymous wrote:Just curious... And this is a serious question though it does sound snarky and will likely get backlash, but I'd like to understand.
As liberals, we are usually in support of undocumented workers attending our schools, receiving services, and potentially taking slots from so called "legal" residents. Yet, locally, when it impacts us such as in the case with this post (ie legal vs illegal residency) why do we put aside our open and inclusive beliefs when it is in our own local community? Don't you think we should lead by example?
I know this is not an apples to apples comparison, but the underlying issues are the same.

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, please. Just because the OP isn't giving specifics doesn't mean they don't know something. Yes, it sucks that parents are called on to rat each other out, but OSSE doesn't do a good job of finding residency cheaters. There's no danger that a grandparent or babysitter is going to be mistaken for a genuine fraud.

OP, report and move on. They may be legit, maybe not.

This. Report and move on. If it's all good, no harm, foul. I'm legitimately enrolled at a HRCS. If someone called to say I was reported I'd say come on over to my house and have a look, or give them a copy of whatever proof they needed. Done. We live in a city with very limited resources where people have to be vultures to make sure their kid isn't cheated. I get it. Investigate me. Big deal in light of the circumstances. Remember people, honest people have nothing to hide. Also, after enough cheaters get called out, they'll stop. Something has to get this going.

Finally, a reasonable response on this thread.

Oh, please. Just because the OP isn't giving specifics doesn't mean they don't know something. Yes, it sucks that parents are called on to rat each other out, but OSSE doesn't do a good job of finding residency cheaters. There's no danger that a grandparent or babysitter is going to be mistaken for a genuine fraud.

OP, report and move on. They may be legit, maybe not.

This. Report and move on. If it's all good, no harm, foul. I'm legitimately enrolled at a HRCS. If someone called to say I was reported I'd say come on over to my house and have a look, or give them a copy of whatever proof they needed. Done. We live in a city with very limited resources where people have to be vultures to make sure their kid isn't cheated. I get it. Investigate me. Big deal in light of the circumstances. Remember people, honest people have nothing to hide. Also, after enough cheaters get called out, they'll stop. Something has to get this going.

Anonymous wrote:But "they" didn't propose a larger section of the Janney boundary, so there was no point. I don't think there would have been push back if it had been larger, but when you're talking about five families...

As for the set asides, the school is over capacity, if every year they let in ten percent for set asides.... what do we do, a third renovation? NO other elementary is growing at this rate.

Anonymous wrote:If the family is newly homeless, Janey can't kick the kid out.... ijs.

Also, the A-Z directory may just be...

..wrong.

low paid govt workers sometimes are.