Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband is Saudi so we know lots of Saudis who marry American girls and take them back to KSA. From what I've seen, conversions in this crowd are driven by the fact that life in KSA is 100% less troublesome for a Muslim.

This reminds me a goodbye party we had for friends of ours who were leaving. The woman is a social animal who loves good red wine, so we gave her a good rubbing about her conversion. She said, laughingly, "everyone assumes if you convert, you become some kind of zealot. I'll convert and be a bad Muslim, like at least 50% of them!"

I always thought that was a neat approach.

Yes, life is less troublesome. But more to the point is that if a non-Muslim wife does not convert to Islam cannot inherit from her husband if he dies. Financial security requires conversion unless she is independently wealthy.

The prohibition against drinking in Islam is not absolute like the prohibition against pork. The Koran says something along the lines of (and I refuse to look it up for this discussion): "In both drinking and gambling there is some that is good and much that is bad so it is better to refrain." Many Muslims I know drink, but will not do so around Muslims they don't know well (who could be flaming fundamentalists).

We actually have a couple of friends, both doctors, he Saudi, she Indian. They had to do a stint of a few years in Jeddah. The way they worked around that is keep all assets and money outside of KSA and have a power of attorney for custody of children executed for a cousin in Canada who was ready to fly in on a moment's notice if something happened to the husband and the wife lost custody of kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband is Saudi so we know lots of Saudis who marry American girls and take them back to KSA. From what I've seen, conversions in this crowd are driven by the fact that life in KSA is 100% less troublesome for a Muslim.

This reminds me a goodbye party we had for friends of ours who were leaving. The woman is a social animal who loves good red wine, so we gave her a good rubbing about her conversion. She said, laughingly, "everyone assumes if you convert, you become some kind of zealot. I'll convert and be a bad Muslim, like at least 50% of them!"

I always thought that was a neat approach.

Yes, life is less troublesome. But more to the point is that if a non-Muslim wife does not convert to Islam cannot inherit from her husband if he dies. Financial security requires conversion unless she is independently wealthy.

The prohibition against drinking in Islam is not absolute like the prohibition against pork. The Koran says something along the lines of (and I refuse to look it up for this discussion): "In both drinking and gambling there is some that is good and much that is bad so it is better to refrain." Many Muslims I know drink, but will not do so around Muslims they don't know well (who could be flaming fundamentalists).

Anonymous wrote:My husband is Saudi so we know lots of Saudis who marry American girls and take them back to KSA. From what I've seen, conversions in this crowd are driven by the fact that life in KSA is 100% less troublesome for a Muslim.

This reminds me a goodbye party we had for friends of ours who were leaving. The woman is a social animal who loves good red wine, so we gave her a good rubbing about her conversion. She said, laughingly, "everyone assumes if you convert, you become some kind of zealot. I'll convert and be a bad Muslim, like at least 50% of them!"

I always thought that was a neat approach.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Must Read to learn what Apostasy is.

Few Americans know what is going on inside the Muslim world and what it portends for them. The fact is that, most Americans are subjected to much of the same misinformation with regard to Islam that I grew up with inside the Muslim world. Thus Americans are in the dark attempting to formulate their strategy to defend themselves against the threat of terror, domestic jihad and Sharia. While they get ridiculed for being ‘Islamophobes’, the Muslim world itself is undergoing a huge and painful awakening.

For instance, a prominent Egyptian lawyer and women’s rights activist Nagla Al Imam recently announced her conversion to Christianity in Cairo, Egypt. The announcement brought shock waves in and beyond Egypt. This is perhaps the first case ever of its kind where a Muslim woman, who is also a Sharia expert, has openly challenged Islamic apostasy laws.

The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

http://formermuslimsunited.org/apostasy-from-islam/

Sharia Law mandates death for apostasy. True Islam follows Sharia law which make Islam not only a religion but the who political and social system for everyone. Concept of freedom is not understood and causes fear and anger.

A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center in 2010 found relatively widespread popular support for death penalty as a punishment for apostasy in Egypt (84% of respondents in favor of death penalty), Jordan (86% in favor), Indonesia (30% in favor), Pakistan (76% favor) and Nigeria (51% in favor).[114] Another survey conducted by Pew Research Center in 2012 among Muslim populations found little change in attitudes towards apostasy in Islamic countries it was able to conduct a survey. Death penalty for apostasy in Islam was favored by large majorities of Muslims in Egypt (86%), Jordan (82%), Afghanistan (79%), Pakistan (76%), Malaysia (62%), Palestinian Territories (66%); and significant percentage of Muslims in Lebanon (46%), Bangladesh (44%), Iraq (42%), Tunisia (29%), Tajikistan (22%), Indonesia (18%) and Turkey (17%).[115] Governments of six gulf countries - Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait - did not permit Pew Research to survey nationwide public opinion on apostasy in 2010 or 2012.

If they were beheading people in vatican city don't you think there would be an outcry?????

find a moderate muslim

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Must Read to learn what Apostasy is.

Few Americans know what is going on inside the Muslim world and what it portends for them. The fact is that, most Americans are subjected to much of the same misinformation with regard to Islam that I grew up with inside the Muslim world. Thus Americans are in the dark attempting to formulate their strategy to defend themselves against the threat of terror, domestic jihad and Sharia. While they get ridiculed for being ‘Islamophobes’, the Muslim world itself is undergoing a huge and painful awakening.

For instance, a prominent Egyptian lawyer and women’s rights activist Nagla Al Imam recently announced her conversion to Christianity in Cairo, Egypt. The announcement brought shock waves in and beyond Egypt. This is perhaps the first case ever of its kind where a Muslim woman, who is also a Sharia expert, has openly challenged Islamic apostasy laws.

The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

http://formermuslimsunited.org/apostasy-from-islam/

Sharia Law mandates death for apostasy. True Islam follows Sharia law which make Islam not only a religion but the who political and social system for everyone. Concept of freedom is not understood and causes fear and anger.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband is Saudi so we know lots of Saudis who marry American girls and take them back to KSA. From what I've seen, conversions in this crowd are driven by the fact that life in KSA is 100% less troublesome for a Muslim.

This reminds me a goodbye party we had for friends of ours who were leaving. The woman is a social animal who loves good red wine, so we gave her a good rubbing about her conversion. She said, laughingly, "everyone assumes if you convert, you become some kind of zealot. I'll convert and be a bad Muslim, like at least 50% of them!"

I always thought that was a neat approach.

Yes there are all kinds of muslims, just like there are all kinds of Christians, Jews, etc...the women I have known who converted fell in love with their boyfriends. Some are very devout now and some are in name only Muslim. Some women convert on their own though.

Anonymous wrote:Must Read to learn what Apostasy is.

Few Americans know what is going on inside the Muslim world and what it portends for them. The fact is that, most Americans are subjected to much of the same misinformation with regard to Islam that I grew up with inside the Muslim world. Thus Americans are in the dark attempting to formulate their strategy to defend themselves against the threat of terror, domestic jihad and Sharia. While they get ridiculed for being ‘Islamophobes’, the Muslim world itself is undergoing a huge and painful awakening.

For instance, a prominent Egyptian lawyer and women’s rights activist Nagla Al Imam recently announced her conversion to Christianity in Cairo, Egypt. The announcement brought shock waves in and beyond Egypt. This is perhaps the first case ever of its kind where a Muslim woman, who is also a Sharia expert, has openly challenged Islamic apostasy laws.

The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

http://formermuslimsunited.org/apostasy-from-islam/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband is Saudi so we know lots of Saudis who marry American girls and take them back to KSA. From what I've seen, conversions in this crowd are driven by the fact that life in KSA is 100% less troublesome for a Muslim.

This reminds me a goodbye party we had for friends of ours who were leaving. The woman is a social animal who loves good red wine, so we gave her a good rubbing about her conversion. She said, laughingly, "everyone assumes if you convert, you become some kind of zealot. I'll convert and be a bad Muslim, like at least 50% of them!"

I always thought that was a neat approach.

Yes there are all kinds of muslims, just like there are all kinds of Christians, Jews, etc...the women I have known who converted fell in love with their boyfriends. Some are very devout now and some are in name only Muslim. Some women convert on their own though.

Anonymous wrote:My husband is Saudi so we know lots of Saudis who marry American girls and take them back to KSA. From what I've seen, conversions in this crowd are driven by the fact that life in KSA is 100% less troublesome for a Muslim.

This reminds me a goodbye party we had for friends of ours who were leaving. The woman is a social animal who loves good red wine, so we gave her a good rubbing about her conversion. She said, laughingly, "everyone assumes if you convert, you become some kind of zealot. I'll convert and be a bad Muslim, like at least 50% of them!"

I always thought that was a neat approach.