Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 17:06     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, you *should* be able to, but there are whack jobs all over the place that will take it upon themselves to call the police and rain down hell on you for this. If people were so concerned about helping out other people, they would say, "Hey, I can watch your baby for the 2 minutes it will take you to use the ATM machine" instead of whipping out their iPhones and making a video and calling 911. But no.



The OP asked if she parked 3-4 cars away from the ATM on a city street if that would be okay. In 90 degree weather like we've had this week, the interior of a car will be 109 in 10 minutes, 119 in 20 minutes, 124 in 30 minutes. Infants are less tolerant of extreme temperatures and in 90 degree weather, an infant die of deyhdration and heat within 15 minutes. Typical parallel parking spaces are about 20 feet long so 3-4 cars if 60-80 feet away. That's pretty far for someone to try and figure out if anyone is with the child on a city street. If you have no idea how long the child has been in the car, seconds may matter. Even spending 2-4 minutes trying to ask around the people in the street if they are the guardian of the child in the car may be enough for that child to die, so some will call 911 and try to get into the car before trying to ask around. A few seconds or a few minutes may make the difference between life and death in these situations.

The number of children who die in hot vehicles per year: 2014 (12 and counting), 2013 (44), 2012 (34), 2011 (33), 2010 (49), 2009 (33), 2008 (43).
People are concerned and want to prevent those accidents. So, people who are concerned that you aren't just in the line of people waiting for the ATM up the block but that you might have accidentally forgotten your child while running errands, are whack jobs. People trying to save your child from a horrible death are whack jobs. People who want to see that number go down as close to zero annually are whack jobs. People who don't want you to go through what the parents in Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer Prize winning article, "Fatal Distraction" are whack jobs. Got it.


How many of those kids died while the parent was parked for a minute and getting cash at the ATM? I would venture to guess zero.


Yes, but tell me how an innocent passerby is supposed to know that you are one of those 10 people down the block at the ATM? The point is that someone passing by your car will have the urge to help your baby first and ask question or hunt for the mother later. They may immediately call 911 and/or try to break into your car window.

I said earlier up-thread that if you could get the parking space immediately curb-side of the ATM (or maybe one off) that's fine because you will be within a few feet of the car and can talk to a good Samaritan who stops by your car. 3-4 car lengths away? I think that's too far to be away from the car.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:51     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, you *should* be able to, but there are whack jobs all over the place that will take it upon themselves to call the police and rain down hell on you for this. If people were so concerned about helping out other people, they would say, "Hey, I can watch your baby for the 2 minutes it will take you to use the ATM machine" instead of whipping out their iPhones and making a video and calling 911. But no.



The OP asked if she parked 3-4 cars away from the ATM on a city street if that would be okay. In 90 degree weather like we've had this week, the interior of a car will be 109 in 10 minutes, 119 in 20 minutes, 124 in 30 minutes. Infants are less tolerant of extreme temperatures and in 90 degree weather, an infant die of deyhdration and heat within 15 minutes. Typical parallel parking spaces are about 20 feet long so 3-4 cars if 60-80 feet away. That's pretty far for someone to try and figure out if anyone is with the child on a city street. If you have no idea how long the child has been in the car, seconds may matter. Even spending 2-4 minutes trying to ask around the people in the street if they are the guardian of the child in the car may be enough for that child to die, so some will call 911 and try to get into the car before trying to ask around. A few seconds or a few minutes may make the difference between life and death in these situations.

The number of children who die in hot vehicles per year: 2014 (12 and counting), 2013 (44), 2012 (34), 2011 (33), 2010 (49), 2009 (33), 2008 (43).
People are concerned and want to prevent those accidents. So, people who are concerned that you aren't just in the line of people waiting for the ATM up the block but that you might have accidentally forgotten your child while running errands, are whack jobs. People trying to save your child from a horrible death are whack jobs. People who want to see that number go down as close to zero annually are whack jobs. People who don't want you to go through what the parents in Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer Prize winning article, "Fatal Distraction" are whack jobs. Got it.


How many of those kids died while the parent was parked for a minute and getting cash at the ATM? I would venture to guess zero.


The woman in Arlington safely buckled her baby into a car seat and then turned around and got hit by a dump truck. That hardly ever happens though, so totally okay to leave your kid in a hot car, because chances are nothing will go wrong. You be you.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:37     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, you *should* be able to, but there are whack jobs all over the place that will take it upon themselves to call the police and rain down hell on you for this. If people were so concerned about helping out other people, they would say, "Hey, I can watch your baby for the 2 minutes it will take you to use the ATM machine" instead of whipping out their iPhones and making a video and calling 911. But no.



The OP asked if she parked 3-4 cars away from the ATM on a city street if that would be okay. In 90 degree weather like we've had this week, the interior of a car will be 109 in 10 minutes, 119 in 20 minutes, 124 in 30 minutes. Infants are less tolerant of extreme temperatures and in 90 degree weather, an infant die of deyhdration and heat within 15 minutes. Typical parallel parking spaces are about 20 feet long so 3-4 cars if 60-80 feet away. That's pretty far for someone to try and figure out if anyone is with the child on a city street. If you have no idea how long the child has been in the car, seconds may matter. Even spending 2-4 minutes trying to ask around the people in the street if they are the guardian of the child in the car may be enough for that child to die, so some will call 911 and try to get into the car before trying to ask around. A few seconds or a few minutes may make the difference between life and death in these situations.

The number of children who die in hot vehicles per year: 2014 (12 and counting), 2013 (44), 2012 (34), 2011 (33), 2010 (49), 2009 (33), 2008 (43).
People are concerned and want to prevent those accidents. So, people who are concerned that you aren't just in the line of people waiting for the ATM up the block but that you might have accidentally forgotten your child while running errands, are whack jobs. People trying to save your child from a horrible death are whack jobs. People who want to see that number go down as close to zero annually are whack jobs. People who don't want you to go through what the parents in Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer Prize winning article, "Fatal Distraction" are whack jobs. Got it.


How many of those kids died while the parent was parked for a minute and getting cash at the ATM? I would venture to guess zero.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:33     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:Yes, you *should* be able to, but there are whack jobs all over the place that will take it upon themselves to call the police and rain down hell on you for this. If people were so concerned about helping out other people, they would say, "Hey, I can watch your baby for the 2 minutes it will take you to use the ATM machine" instead of whipping out their iPhones and making a video and calling 911. But no.



The OP asked if she parked 3-4 cars away from the ATM on a city street if that would be okay. In 90 degree weather like we've had this week, the interior of a car will be 109 in 10 minutes, 119 in 20 minutes, 124 in 30 minutes. Infants are less tolerant of extreme temperatures and in 90 degree weather, an infant die of deyhdration and heat within 15 minutes. Typical parallel parking spaces are about 20 feet long so 3-4 cars if 60-80 feet away. That's pretty far for someone to try and figure out if anyone is with the child on a city street. If you have no idea how long the child has been in the car, seconds may matter. Even spending 2-4 minutes trying to ask around the people in the street if they are the guardian of the child in the car may be enough for that child to die, so some will call 911 and try to get into the car before trying to ask around. A few seconds or a few minutes may make the difference between life and death in these situations.

The number of children who die in hot vehicles per year: 2014 (12 and counting), 2013 (44), 2012 (34), 2011 (33), 2010 (49), 2009 (33), 2008 (43).
People are concerned and want to prevent those accidents. So, people who are concerned that you aren't just in the line of people waiting for the ATM up the block but that you might have accidentally forgotten your child while running errands, are whack jobs. People trying to save your child from a horrible death are whack jobs. People who want to see that number go down as close to zero annually are whack jobs. People who don't want you to go through what the parents in Gene Weingarten's Pulitzer Prize winning article, "Fatal Distraction" are whack jobs. Got it.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:25     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Mine did too! We used it as an opportunity to psychologically torture our little brother! He is OK now. We did not turn him into a serial killer.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:24     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Shit, my mother left us in the car to run into the supermarket for milk and we are all fine. Y'all need to chill.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:22     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
You could also lock the baby inside when you close your car door, before opening the back door.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:06     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Too many weirdos out there - car jacking, kidnapping, etc for the 30 sec you turn your back punching in your pass code and making your selections.
I could never live with myself if there was a bad outcome.


Bad things can always happen. There are weirdos out there but I don't think nearly as many of them out there as you might think by reading these responses.


So true. There are very few kidnappers out there trolling the streets for random children. This is a rare occurrence and people are acting like it happens all the time.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 16:02     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:Too many weirdos out there - car jacking, kidnapping, etc for the 30 sec you turn your back punching in your pass code and making your selections.
I could never live with myself if there was a bad outcome.


Bad things can always happen. There are weirdos out there but I don't think nearly as many of them out there as you might think by reading these responses.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 15:54     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Yes, you *should* be able to, but there are whack jobs all over the place that will take it upon themselves to call the police and rain down hell on you for this. If people were so concerned about helping out other people, they would say, "Hey, I can watch your baby for the 2 minutes it will take you to use the ATM machine" instead of whipping out their iPhones and making a video and calling 911. But no.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 15:48     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
If you have several small children to keep track of, they are probably safest buckled into car seats than crossing parking lots or waiting on a sidewalk next to a busy street.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 15:15     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:If you live in Maryland no, it's illegal. If you live in VA (not quite illegal) feel free to take your chances.


In Maryland it is illegal if the car is out of sight.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 15:13     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
If you live in Maryland no, it's illegal. If you live in VA (not quite illegal) feel free to take your chances.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 15:06     Subject: Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Too many weirdos out there - car jacking, kidnapping, etc for the 30 sec you turn your back punching in your pass code and making your selections.
I could never live with myself if there was a bad outcome.



Couldn't that weirdo just attack you and your baby at the ATM? You'd be a pretty easy target holding a baby and cash.


There is risk to everything. Which situation has a higher probability something will go wrong?


I would think it was about equal. In both cases, really unlikely.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2014 15:04     Subject: Re:Can I leave my infant in the car alone to...,
I think everyone is overreacting a bit. So much of everything we do is a judgement call. To go to an ATM you can park your car and be no more than 3 feet from the car. There is a big difference between that and being 30 feet away.