Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 19:43     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course, it's not an issue if your DC is vaccinated.


This is too easy, PP. If you hate anti-vaxers, life itself is a constant source of germs, fear, anger and hatred. There is no time to breathe easy, even if you vaccinate. Get with the program or be stoned to death.


Different poster here. Do you spout this kind of idiotic nonsense IRL? There is no correlation in what you are saying.



This person shows up in every vaccine thread and says the same thing. It is her thing. Just ignore. She is dumb.


Sorry but this is how you appear to many people. Even the "pro-vax" posters (and i am one) state they are appalled by the "dumb" and mean spirited posts on this and any thread relating to vaccines.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 19:15     Subject: Re:measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some facts since PPs were asking.

1. You can be vaccinated for measles and still be one of the unlucky people for whom the vaccine was not perfectly effective, and therefore still contract it. It is about 95% effective. With herd immunity intact, that level of effectiveness would eventually wipe out the disease (if everyone were vaccinated).
2. This is not a "mutated" strain of measles.
3. Infants under 1 cannot be vaccinated and are at highest risk.
4. People with compromised immune systems or people who cannot be vaccinated (because of actual medical reasons and not Jenny McCarthy) are also at high risk.
5. Measles is extremely contagious and can be contracted just by being in a room someone with measles was in -- not concurrently, but hours earlier.
6. 90% of people not immune will contract measles from being close to someone with measles.
7. Measles is a human-only virus (it has no animal reservoirs) and could be completely eliminated if it weren't for the anti-vaccine movement.
8. The death rate for measles is about 3 in 1000 for healthy children, but it is 30 in 100 for people with immune issues, and can cause other serious complications, including brain damage, even if it doesn't kill (there is a reason it's vaccinated for!).

Source: CDC website


Where on earth did this statistic come from?

I had measles as did everyone I knew when I was a child. There was no vaccine for measles, and it was not in any way a deadly disease. Everyone got it, and no one died.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics -- this is a case of statistics.

In a vaccinated population, very few healthy children will come down with measles. In developing countries, this statistic might be plausible, but that's because those "healthy" children suffer from malnutrition, parasites, poor hygiene, poor access to clean water, etc, all of which contribute to the death rate in these supposedly "healthy" children.

In America, well-nourished middle class children with no immune issues are not likely to die of measles ever.


Your assertions are based on your research among, um, your friends growing up? Sorry, I think I'll go with the CDC.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 19:02     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:Couples questions

1) has it been concerned that both cases were people/kids who were vaccinated..if so is there concern as to whether the vaccination works.

2) I think I remember my OB checking to see if I was immune to measles when pregnant--is this standard "best practice care? I remember saying I was fully vaccinated per standard for the 80s and doc still wanted to check.


1. According to the health department, the first person was not vaccinated. I believe that over some hearsay from a pedi's office.

2. German measles (aka rubella) is what most OBs check, not measles. German measles can be very dangerous for pregnant women (so can measles, but not as devastating).
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 18:59     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course, it's not an issue if your DC is vaccinated.


This is too easy, PP. If you hate anti-vaxers, life itself is a constant source of germs, fear, anger and hatred. There is no time to breathe easy, even if you vaccinate. Get with the program or be stoned to death.


Different poster here. Do you spout this kind of idiotic nonsense IRL? There is no correlation in what you are saying.



This person shows up in every vaccine thread and says the same thing. It is her thing. Just ignore. She is dumb.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 17:25     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, to the anti-vax haters, two things: First, it seems that we need these bugs floating around to keep up some level of immunity after all. See the link between the chicken pox vaccine and the shingles outbreak we are experiencing. Second, they have just injected a woman with cancer with measles and it cured her cancer. Maybe the measles vaccine is connected to a rise in cancer?....

We don't know all there is to know about our bodies.


This amount of stupid causes me physical pain. What do you do for a living that you are allowed to have this cloudy kind of thinking?


That's okay, PP, you don't have to apologize for being closed-minded and mean. Here are some links for you to mull over.


http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/197/Supplement_2/S224.long



From the World Health Organization:
http://www.who.int/immunization/sage/meetings/2014/april/3_SAGE_April_VZV_Brisson_HZ.pdf?ua=1

Main concern about varicella vaccination
Unknown impact on the epidemiology of zoster
• Herpes zoster may occur more frequently in adults who
have not been boosted by varicella contacts
– Individuals with > 3 exposures to varicella have 1/5th risk of zoster
compared to unexposed [1]
– Adults living with children have higher exposure to varicella and
significantly lower herpes zoster incidence [2]
• If this is so then reduction of varicella incidence after
mass vaccination could increase zoster incidence
• Note: Evidence of the impact of exposure to varicella on
risk of zoster is still inconclusive [3]



ttp://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/15/womans-cancer-killed-by-measles-virus-in-unprecedented-trial/?tid=pm_pop

http://www.digitaljournal.com/life/health/woman-cured-of-deadly-cancer-by-measles-injection-at-mayo-clinic/article/383829
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 17:09     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:

Allergy to vaccine? Bullshit.



Try researching a bit before you judge.

Yes, if my kid has a severe peanut allergy, then no he is not getting the vaccines. Yes, he does have a medical exemption for this reason. Most vaccines have now include peanut oil as a stabilizer. When you inject these with the antigen for the vaccine the kids body fights the antigen and the peanut oil. Hence all of the peanut allergies now a days. Other stabilizers include soy, yeast, eggs. Those allergies have been on the rise as well.

When most of us were younger we had 7 vaccines, now our kids get 24 by age 2. And you all can't think for a moment that all of these vaccines May be contributing to all of the neurological behaviors as well that we are seeing now?


Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 16:31     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Couples questions

1) has it been concerned that both cases were people/kids who were vaccinated..if so is there concern as to whether the vaccination works.

2) I think I remember my OB checking to see if I was immune to measles when pregnant--is this standard "best practice care? I remember saying I was fully vaccinated per standard for the 80s and doc still wanted to check.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 16:24     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Of course, it's not an issue if your DC is vaccinated.


This is too easy, PP. If you hate anti-vaxers, life itself is a constant source of germs, fear, anger and hatred. There is no time to breathe easy, even if you vaccinate. Get with the program or be stoned to death.


Different poster here. Do you spout this kind of idiotic nonsense IRL? There is no correlation in what you are saying.

Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 16:22     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:Well, to the anti-vax haters, two things: First, it seems that we need these bugs floating around to keep up some level of immunity after all. See the link between the chicken pox vaccine and the shingles outbreak we are experiencing. Second, they have just injected a woman with cancer with measles and it cured her cancer. Maybe the measles vaccine is connected to a rise in cancer?....

We don't know all there is to know about our bodies.


This amount of stupid causes me physical pain. What do you do for a living that you are allowed to have this cloudy kind of thinking?
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 16:15     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Where is the info coming from that second person is a healthcare worker. SR peds is saying no. It's two kids that got vaccinated on schedule (received first dose) and got measles seperately abroad.

Second, those of you wishing ill toward unvaccinated kids are vile human beings. I vaccinate on schedule for what it's worth. The pure hate and ignorance I'm reading on this topic is disturbing and I feel sorry for the children of such ugly, hateful people.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 16:11     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Sucks to go to South Riding Peds!
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 16:03     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:Hopefully these anti-vaccine parents kids will get really sick or die of the disease that could have been prevented and they will reconsider their selfish and stupid stance on the issue!
well, that is severe. how do you look at yourself in the mirror?

-pro-vaxer
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 15:59     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Anonymous wrote:Of course, it's not an issue if your DC is vaccinated.


This is too easy, PP. If you hate anti-vaxers, life itself is a constant source of germs, fear, anger and hatred. There is no time to breathe easy, even if you vaccinate. Get with the program or be stoned to death.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 15:55     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Of course, it's not an issue if your DC is vaccinated.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2014 15:54     Subject: measles- beware if you've been these places
Well, to the anti-vax haters, two things: First, it seems that we need these bugs floating around to keep up some level of immunity after all. See the link between the chicken pox vaccine and the shingles outbreak we are experiencing. Second, they have just injected a woman with cancer with measles and it cured her cancer. Maybe the measles vaccine is connected to a rise in cancer?....

We don't know all there is to know about our bodies.