Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 15:20     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that there are just some people so hell bent on the idea that TJ is the be all and end all of education for their little prince or princess, no amount of logic is going to convince them that their prince or princess might actually have a better chance of being accepted to a competitive college is they sent them to a "lower" performing HS. They have drunk the TJ kool aid and can't get enough it. For those parents, I'd be curious as to where you actually went to college (and where you applied) to see if you actually have any first hand experience with competitive college admissions. And, for the record, I am the earlier poster that went to UC Berkeley, and subsequently an Ivy League law school and has a close friend who used to work in Yale admissions (after attending Yale and subsequently attending another Ivy League school).

I am also not suggesting, by any stretch of imagination, that a parent shouldn't send their kid to TJ to game the college admissions system. At the end of the day, challenge your kid as much as he or she wants to be challenged and let the chips fall where they may. Who cares whether they make it to the Ivy League, UVA, George Mason, or community college. Help them to succeed in the path best suited for them and put down the TJ kool aid.


Stop bragging about the UC Berkeley and "Ivy League Law School". Many TJ kids turn down UC Berkeley to attend UVA/William and Mary. In fact, many TJ kids turn down Ivy League schools to attend UVA/William and Mary. Also, most parents do not send their kids to TJ to game the college admissions system. If what you say is true, parents would not agree to send their kids to UVA or William and Mary after their kids are accepted to Ivy League schools or similar top schools. That defeats the purpose of "gaming the college admissions system". Parents send their kids to TJ to receive challenging education and to have opportunity to take courses/participate in research that are not available at other schools. Is that hard to understand?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 15:07     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:It seems to me that there are just some people so hell bent on the idea that TJ is the be all and end all of education for their little prince or princess, no amount of logic is going to convince them that their prince or princess might actually have a better chance of being accepted to a competitive college is they sent them to a "lower" performing HS. They have drunk the TJ kool aid and can't get enough it. For those parents, I'd be curious as to where you actually went to college (and where you applied) to see if you actually have any first hand experience with competitive college admissions. And, for the record, I am the earlier poster that went to UC Berkeley, and subsequently an Ivy League law school and has a close friend who used to work in Yale admissions (after attending Yale and subsequently attending another Ivy League school).

I am also not suggesting, by any stretch of imagination, that a parent shouldn't send their kid to TJ to game the college admissions system. At the end of the day, challenge your kid as much as he or she wants to be challenged and let the chips fall where they may. Who cares whether they make it to the Ivy League, UVA, George Mason, or community college. Help them to succeed in the path best suited for them and put down the TJ kool aid.


+100

May be a typo, but you're not suggesting they send kids to TJ to game the college process right?

What distresses me about all this TJ talk is that so much of it comes from the parents. i.e., where should I send my kid for HS? Seems like a lot more of the drive and desire to attend TJ should come from the kid. Years ago, it was on my math and science obsessed son's radar much earlier than mine. Seems that's how it should be.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 14:59     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
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Anonymous wrote:Numbers in a Tj graduating class are more in the lower 400s, not 450.


Wrong. The graduating classes typically are around 450 students.


TJ graduating class is typically around 420 to 430.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 14:53     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
It seems to me that there are just some people so hell bent on the idea that TJ is the be all and end all of education for their little prince or princess, no amount of logic is going to convince them that their prince or princess might actually have a better chance of being accepted to a competitive college is they sent them to a "lower" performing HS. They have drunk the TJ kool aid and can't get enough it. For those parents, I'd be curious as to where you actually went to college (and where you applied) to see if you actually have any first hand experience with competitive college admissions. And, for the record, I am the earlier poster that went to UC Berkeley, and subsequently an Ivy League law school and has a close friend who used to work in Yale admissions (after attending Yale and subsequently attending another Ivy League school).

I am also not suggesting, by any stretch of imagination, that a parent shouldn't send their kid to TJ to game the college admissions system. At the end of the day, challenge your kid as much as he or she wants to be challenged and let the chips fall where they may. Who cares whether they make it to the Ivy League, UVA, George Mason, or community college. Help them to succeed in the path best suited for them and put down the TJ kool aid.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 14:31     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:Numbers in a Tj graduating class are more in the lower 400s, not 450.


Wrong. The graduating classes typically are around 450 students.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 14:28     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 SAT will get accepted to colleges like Northwestern, UVA, W&M, Michigan, UCLA, Cornell, NYU, Amherst, Georgia Tech, UNC, Rice, University of Illinois, USC, Boston College etc.

White Edison kids with same qualifications will have tougher time getting accepted to above schools.


Colleges know it is far more difficult to receive 4.3 GPA from TJ than from Edison. White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 are virtually guaranteed acceptance to UVA and William and Mary. Kids with similar qualifications from Edison will have difficulty getting into UVA or William and Mary.


I might believe you if you claimed that there weren't lots of Edison students with this profile, but you offer no evidence to show such students are hard-pressed to gain admission to U.Va or W&M, or at a disadvantage compared to similar TJ students. It may not be your intent, but it really comes across as if you are desperate to disparage other schools relative to TJ.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:45     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:I just think the premise is flawed. You aren't going to find an Edison student to compare to an exactly situated TJ student. Almost every TJ student will have had math and science classes (and quite possibly other classes) that the Edison student did not have a chance to take. Most academic classes in every discipline at TJ are Honors, AP, or Post AP (according to their website). So you can't really compare a GPA with someone from Edison not in the same classes. And an Edison student with a SAT score of 2150 might be at the top of the class, while that would be average at TJ. So you would expect the top of the class Edison student to probably have higher GPA than a middle of the class student at TJ. There goes the "exact" comparison on GPA (also on class rank). I think we can agree that top of both classes will have their choice of colleges. I don't think we can construct an "exactly similar" student.


Partially true. That is why TJ student with 4.3 GPA *assuming all other stats are equal) will be view as far stronger applicant.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:38     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 SAT will get accepted to colleges like Northwestern, UVA, W&M, Michigan, UCLA, Cornell, NYU, Amherst, Georgia Tech, UNC, Rice, University of Illinois, USC, Boston College etc.

White Edison kids with same qualifications will have tougher time getting accepted to above schools.


Colleges know it is far more difficult to receive 4.3 GPA from TJ than from Edison. White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 are virtually guaranteed acceptance to UVA and William and Mary. Kids with similar qualifications from Edison will have difficulty getting into UVA or William and Mary.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:35     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
I just think the premise is flawed. You aren't going to find an Edison student to compare to an exactly situated TJ student. Almost every TJ student will have had math and science classes (and quite possibly other classes) that the Edison student did not have a chance to take. Most academic classes in every discipline at TJ are Honors, AP, or Post AP (according to their website). So you can't really compare a GPA with someone from Edison not in the same classes. And an Edison student with a SAT score of 2150 might be at the top of the class, while that would be average at TJ. So you would expect the top of the class Edison student to probably have higher GPA than a middle of the class student at TJ. There goes the "exact" comparison on GPA (also on class rank). I think we can agree that top of both classes will have their choice of colleges. I don't think we can construct an "exactly similar" student.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:25     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Numbers in a Tj graduating class are more in the lower 400s, not 450.
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Post 04/20/2014 13:23     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
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Anonymous wrote:And PP when they get those As, I bet they are in any college or university they choose.


Actually that's not true. I know a TJ grad who had all A's except for one B, as well as a nearly perfect SAT score, and she didn't get into any Ivies. She went to UVA.


Maybe she wanted to go to UVA.


She got into Duke, Rice, Carnegie Mellon and UVA. Did not get into Harvard (one parent had a Harvard grad degree), Brown, Columbia, Princeton, Penn or UC Berkeley. Participated in 2 varsity sports, plus other extracurriculars. I know all of this because I'm good friends with her mom.


Maybe she didn't take advanced post AP math or post AP science courses that most top students at TJ take.


I have had 2 kids at TJ so I'm familiar with the curriculum. Her only B was in an AP/post AP science class that gives many students their first B. I know she took Calc BC in 10th grade and then the math classes that follow in 11th and 12th. And to address the SAT score, I know her math and CR scores were each 800, writing was a little less. Also had 800s on all her SAT IIs and 5's on her APs. She is very happy at UVA - is getting great job/internship offers and her parents are happy to pay for grad school as she saved them so much money by choosing a state school over a private.


What were the ECs aside from 2 sports? Any officer positions or community service? it's just odd since about 20 ~ 25% of the TJ graduates make it to Ivys.


Do you have a link to this claim? It seems wildly off. 20-25% would mean that 90-110 students go to Ivies or 11-14 per Ivy. I haven't seen those numbers- even for TJ.


http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/377204.page


1) Since when is an anonymous post on DCUM evidence?
2) It shows acceptances not where they are going. One student can be accepted to more than one university.
3) The number of "acceptances" on your link is closer to 15% than 20-25%.

Anything else?


TJ college acceptance/enrollment history (2009 - 2013)

Brown University
64 28
University of California at Berkeley
58 12
California Institute of Technology
51 24
University of Chicago
60 17
Columbia University
53 27
Cornell University
203 77[/b
Dartmouth College
59 [b]29
Duke University
166 57
Georgetown University
65 20
Harvard College
30 23
Johns Hopkins University
63 9
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
97 68
University of Michigan
137 21
New York University
90 20
Northwestern University
63 13
University of Pennsylvania
60 32
Princeton University
97 53
Stanford University
51 38
University of Virginia
1115 498
Yale University
56 28


Okay, so 297 went to Ivy League in the past five years. So around 60 per year. There are around ~450 TJ graduates each year. That is not 20-25%. It is 13-14%.


Many more were accepted to Ivy League schools and students were also accepted to places like Stanford, MIT, Caltech, UC-Berkeley, Duke, Chicago, Johns Hopkins. Many students accepted to top schools choose to attend UVA or W&M.


Now you are changing your claim. If your original claim had been that TJ student are [/i]accepted to excellent colleges. I would have agreed with you and moved on. I disagreed with your (false and inflated) claim that 20-25% of TJs students [i]make it to Ivys. A premise you have not proven.

You have changed your claim on three key points: a) you have expanded the number of Universities to include non Ivy colleges and Universities, b) you are now talking about acceptances rather than attendance and c)you have removed any claim to actual %s. We don't know how many individual student were accepted into an Ivy because all we see is the aggregate and we know some students get accepted to more than one Ivy.

FWIW, I agree with your new premise. TJ students are accepted into many Ivy League and other named colleges. No dispute about that.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:19     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 SAT will get accepted to colleges like Northwestern, UVA, W&M, Michigan, UCLA, Cornell, NYU, Amherst, Georgia Tech, UNC, Rice, University of Illinois, USC, Boston College etc.

White Edison kids with same qualifications will have tougher time getting accepted to above schools.


Complete and utter racist BS.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:08     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
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Anonymous wrote:And PP when they get those As, I bet they are in any college or university they choose.


Actually that's not true. I know a TJ grad who had all A's except for one B, as well as a nearly perfect SAT score, and she didn't get into any Ivies. She went to UVA.


Maybe she wanted to go to UVA.


She got into Duke, Rice, Carnegie Mellon and UVA. Did not get into Harvard (one parent had a Harvard grad degree), Brown, Columbia, Princeton, Penn or UC Berkeley. Participated in 2 varsity sports, plus other extracurriculars. I know all of this because I'm good friends with her mom.


Maybe she didn't take advanced post AP math or post AP science courses that most top students at TJ take.


I have had 2 kids at TJ so I'm familiar with the curriculum. Her only B was in an AP/post AP science class that gives many students their first B. I know she took Calc BC in 10th grade and then the math classes that follow in 11th and 12th. And to address the SAT score, I know her math and CR scores were each 800, writing was a little less. Also had 800s on all her SAT IIs and 5's on her APs. She is very happy at UVA - is getting great job/internship offers and her parents are happy to pay for grad school as she saved them so much money by choosing a state school over a private.


What were the ECs aside from 2 sports? Any officer positions or community service? it's just odd since about 20 ~ 25% of the TJ graduates make it to Ivys.


Do you have a link to this claim? It seems wildly off. 20-25% would mean that 90-110 students go to Ivies or 11-14 per Ivy. I haven't seen those numbers- even for TJ.


http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/377204.page


1) Since when is an anonymous post on DCUM evidence?
2) It shows acceptances not where they are going. One student can be accepted to more than one university.
3) The number of "acceptances" on your link is closer to 15% than 20-25%.

Anything else?


TJ college acceptance/enrollment history (2009 - 2013)

Brown University
64 28
University of California at Berkeley
58 12
California Institute of Technology
51 24
University of Chicago
60 17
Columbia University
53 27
Cornell University
203 77[/b
Dartmouth College
59 [b]29
Duke University
166 57
Georgetown University
65 20
Harvard College
30 23
Johns Hopkins University
63 9
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
97 68
University of Michigan
137 21
New York University
90 20
Northwestern University
63 13
University of Pennsylvania
60 32
Princeton University
97 53
Stanford University
51 38
University of Virginia
1115 498
Yale University
56 28


Okay, so 297 went to Ivy League in the past five years. So around 60 per year. There are around ~450 TJ graduates each year. That is not 20-25%. It is 13-14%.


Many more were accepted to Ivy League schools and students were also accepted to places like Stanford, MIT, Caltech, UC-Berkeley, Duke, Chicago, Johns Hopkins. Many students accepted to top schools choose to attend UVA or W&M.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:05     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
Anonymous wrote:White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 SAT will get accepted to colleges like Northwestern, UVA, W&M, Michigan, UCLA, Cornell, NYU, Amherst, Georgia Tech, UNC, Rice, University of Illinois, USC, Boston College etc.

White Edison kids with same qualifications will have tougher time getting accepted to above schools.


Source?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2014 13:00     Subject: TJ or Edison, which do you think would get your high achieiving kid into a better college?
White TJ kids with 4.3 GPA and 2100 SAT will get accepted to colleges like Northwestern, UVA, W&M, Michigan, UCLA, Cornell, NYU, Amherst, Georgia Tech, UNC, Rice, University of Illinois, USC, Boston College etc.

White Edison kids with same qualifications will have tougher time getting accepted to above schools.