Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if there is a lot more opportunity, but I agree, I think foreign student enrollment is excessive. Not because students go back to their home countries, either. These institutions are tax-exempt and should be serving U.S. citizens first and foremost. The foreign component is also disturbing because it's mainly wealthy students who pay full freight.

Ot in the case of many applicants from China, their parents are corrupt, powerful Communist Party officials and well-connected "businessmen.

In recent years, but especially last summer, there was increasing awareness of massive cheating in all aspects of admissions by students from Asia. Just google "asian cheating college sat" to get a sample.

Anonymous wrote:Another article that confirms it is harder to get into the Ivy League schools now, and cites the effect of globalized admissions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/upshot/getting-into-the-ivies.html?ref=education

Also references increased geographic diversity.

Another article that confirms it is harder to get into the Ivy League schools now, and cites the effect of globalized admissions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/upshot/getting-into-the-ivies.html?ref=education

Anonymous wrote:I think sports are like a triangle. Most all kids play sports when they are young. As they get older they drop sports or try different ones. By the time they are in high school the top athletes are at the top of the triangle. You know if your kid rises above all the others in sports or if they are just playing for fun. The super athletes just stand out so you know if it is worth sticking with a sport.

You can play a sport at a D3 basically just being a good hs athlete. But youll need to be quite good if you want a significant admissions boost.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This trend makes those families who focused on athleticism as a way to stand out, look increasingly savvy.

Not really. I'm the parent of 2 college varsity athletes (at an Ivy) and unless your kid is good enough to be recruited and wants to continue playing in college, HS athletics won't really make you stand out. And, even then, your child has to be a really strong candidate w/re to grades, scores, recommendations and essays. Many, many families whom we met as our kids played sports together over the years vastly overestimated how much of a boost their kids would get from sports.

I was referring to families like yours, in which the children are truly good athletes. I often wondered if that was time well spent, and now I see that is obviously is.

Some athletic involvement is essential for the development of a boy, whether he uses it to get into college or not.

I agree with the general point that a number of colleges use foreign students to supplement both their top line and the quality of their engineering/science programs. The previous examples of Harvard and Yale just don't stand up to this narrative, however. Both of these schools could fill their classes 5 times over with full-fee-paying American students. Their decisions to admit international students and target Pell-grant eligible American students (roughly 2.5 times the poverty rate, making up 18-20% of their recent classes) are both matters of choice and not necessity. It is also worth noting that the faculty of both of these universities is well in excess of 10% foreign born.

Further, if you look at other world-class liberal arts universities across the globe (excepting the purely test-driven technology institutions in Asia) they tend to have similar percentages of non-domestic students (10% or more), with some significantly higher (e.g. Oxford University is 40% non English). We live in a world economy. Xenophobic attitudes are not a long-term winning strategy.

My one point of sympathy is with public institutions that were specifically designed to educate local/regional citizenry, like state schools, land-grant schools and community colleges. Perhaps better public funding of education would relieve them of the pressure to seek full-freight students from abroad?

The foreign money keeps domestic tuition increases down and/or increases the financial aid pot. Harvard and Yale have the most generous financial aid they've ever had, and part of that is 10% foreign students most of whom are paying full freight.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if there is a lot more opportunity, but I agree, I think foreign student enrollment is excessive. Not because students go back to their home countries, either. These institutions are tax-exempt and should be serving U.S. citizens first and foremost. The foreign component is also disturbing because it's mainly wealthy students who pay full freight.

Ot in the case of many applicants from China, their parents are corrupt, powerful Communist Party officials and well-connected "businessmen.

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Anonymous wrote:Yale has good statistics. Int'l students have risen from 3-4% in 1990 to 11% in 2014. But increases the difficulty for other applicants by 7-8%, that's not nearly as big a deal as these articles make it out to be. I really think lots of this "new" selectivity has to do with simply more applications from the same batch of students.
file:///C:/Users/Brent/Desktop/B5_Intl_Student_Enrollment_1987_1999.pdf
http://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/FACTSHEET(2013-14).pdf
http://oir.yale.edu/1976-2000-yale-book-numbers

more bs.

our culture sticks a knife in the back of each other daily.

H1Bs are taking the jobs and then we give the college training to the asian children.

bummer it is happening to the ivies now.

our pc thinking forces us to treat others as equals when the other cultures take care of each other. ask the workers replace by the asian invasion h1bs. They don't fire each other.

A lot off univ. are allowing in more foreign students b/c of the money. So if you don't like it, go complain to them; don't blame the minorities for taking advantage of what is offered.

You must be white. I'm so sick of some white people complaining about how they're kids cannot get into Ivy Leagues b/c of the minorities. You have your head up your ass if you don't know that Asian students are discriminated against by Ivy Leagues by putting a cap on the numbers they admit. Asians have to work 2x hard as whites to get in, but you don't hear them up in arms about reverse race discrimination at Ivy Leagues. No, they just buckle down even more and prove they can still do it even if you put bigger hurdles in front of them compared to whites.

If the schools only admitted by test scores and GPA, the schools would probably be 40% - 60% Asian. That is what happened at UC Berkley and UCLA after Prop 209 in CA passed - no longer race based admissions.

So, stop whining and at tell your kids to work harder, like the Asians. Man, for a race that is supposed to be "superior", you do sure whine a lot.

Not sure if there is a lot more opportunity, but I agree, I think foreign student enrollment is excessive. Not because students go back to their home countries, either. These institutions are tax-exempt and should be serving U.S. citizens first and foremost. The foreign component is also disturbing because it's mainly wealthy students who pay full freight.

``our pc thinking forces us to treat others as equals when the other cultures take care of each other. ask the workers replace by the asian invasion h1bs. They don't fire each other.''

``Take it back to the Glenn Beck message boards''

I'm a big liberal who wants us to rethink how we treat foreign applicants to U.S. schools. I understand accepting students from other nations who are going to stay here after they study. But there is a lot more opportunity in other parts of the world. Kids come here to study and then leave. Maybe we should be sure there are enough spots for US kids ?

Population has increased and so has foreign admissions, but the schools have not gotten bigger along with population growth. Some elite schools are very small.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale has good statistics. Int'l students have risen from 3-4% in 1990 to 11% in 2014. But increases the difficulty for other applicants by 7-8%, that's not nearly as big a deal as these articles make it out to be. I really think lots of this "new" selectivity has to do with simply more applications from the same batch of students.
file:///C:/Users/Brent/Desktop/B5_Intl_Student_Enrollment_1987_1999.pdf
http://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/FACTSHEET(2013-14).pdf
http://oir.yale.edu/1976-2000-yale-book-numbers

more bs.

our culture sticks a knife in the back of each other daily.

H1Bs are taking the jobs and then we give the college training to the asian children.

bummer it is happening to the ivies now.

our pc thinking forces us to treat others as equals when the other cultures take care of each other. ask the workers replace by the asian invasion h1bs. They don't fire each other.

Take it back to the Glenn Beck message boards.

Anonymous wrote:Yale has good statistics. Int'l students have risen from 3-4% in 1990 to 11% in 2014. But increases the difficulty for other applicants by 7-8%, that's not nearly as big a deal as these articles make it out to be. I really think lots of this "new" selectivity has to do with simply more applications from the same batch of students.
file:///C:/Users/Brent/Desktop/B5_Intl_Student_Enrollment_1987_1999.pdf
http://oir.yale.edu/sites/default/files/FACTSHEET(2013-14).pdf
http://oir.yale.edu/1976-2000-yale-book-numbers

more bs.

our culture sticks a knife in the back of each other daily.

H1Bs are taking the jobs and then we give the college training to the asian children.

bummer it is happening to the ivies now.

our pc thinking forces us to treat others as equals when the other cultures take care of each other. ask the workers replace by the asian invasion h1bs. They don't fire each other.

Anonymous wrote:A couple things I found out about legacy applications. First, having two parents who graduated from the same college doesn't give a student a double advantage or even a meaningful advantage over other legacy applicants. The student is a legacy applicant or not, Second, at most schools, it is the undergraduate alumni tie that matters. Having graduated from the law school or the business school doesn't really help your kid to get into the university's college.

And that is part of the reason why i dont bother to make anything other than modest donations to my grad alma mater