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16:33 true, but Tacoma's hypothesis gave a benefit of doubt that would never be allowed if the tables were turned.


Well, he was wrong. Neither the law nor its appolication supports a differential treatment of races under hate crime laws.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't worry, Australia is calling it a black on white hate crime and urging people not to come here as students or tourists.
Obama has been silent.

obama didn't comment on Trayvon until a month and a half after the killing.

And other country's presidents and diplomats were on the news saying what on Day 1 (as they are now)?

No need for excuses or distractions. Looks petty.

everything Obana says or does looks wrong to you. The guy can't watch a movie in Saturday night without wingnuts pissed off about it.

Actually, my point was that other authorities are calling it a hate crime. This is very much in the front and center news in Australia and England.

I could care less what or when Obama says, he usually stays silent on international issues for many days, hoping it blows over. Everyone knows that.

“The U.S. has chosen the pathway of illogical policy with regard to guns," Australia’s former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer said Friday. "They cannot expect not to have any criticism of it worldwide. I am angry because it is corrupting the world, this gun culture of the United States.”

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Anonymous wrote:Good then the plumber should have no trouble putting in your stent.

At this point, I feel you are being deliberately obtuse. A doctor who is only book-educated with no actual patient experience is not capable of putting in a stent either. That's why there are rotations, residencies, etc in the program.

Well then to get back to the point of WEB DuBois, in addition to being the first black PhD from Harvard, he had the real life experience of being a black man living in the early 1900's, who knew Woodrow Wilson. So I guess his residency was in experiencing and overcoming a lifetime of racism.

Anonymous wrote:16:33 true, but Tacoma's hypothesis gave a benefit of doubt that would never be allowed if the tables were turned.

Anonymous wrote:So, if a black person kills a white, it is not a hate crime because the white is not a minority? Even though that is why he was killed?

Anonymous wrote:I have never really understood the hate crime classification. To me, a senseless crime is a senseless crime. These kids did perform a hate crime--a hatred of the right to life.

Hypothesis: The kid had a run-in with a group of white kids who said some nasty things to him. He thinks "I hate nasty white people -- and so many of them seem to be nasty. So he tweets that an exaggerated 90% of whites are nasty and that he hates them(nasty whites). Not a terribly unusual situation.

Why do I think he may have meant that he hates nasty whites rather than all whites? Because he went out on his murderous jaunt with a white kid.

Do I think this makes the crime less heinous? No way. I just think bringing up the issue of hate crimes is not useful.

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Anonymous wrote:Good then the plumber should have no trouble putting in your stent.

At this point, I feel you are being deliberately obtuse. A doctor who is only book-educated with no actual patient experience is not capable of putting in a stent either. That's why there are rotations, residencies, etc in the program.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that the conservatives are done embarrassing themselves over the Dubois thing, we can get bannock o answer the OP:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20159691-da-teens-accused-in-ballplayers-slaying-wont-be-charged-with-hate-crimes?lite

DA says no evidence to say that race was the primary factor. An offensive tweet does not make a case.

The DA is a Republican in Oklahoma.

That's fine. I think it is incredibly clear there is a double standard in America. But it's just the way it is.

Anonymous wrote:Now that the conservatives are done embarrassing themselves over the Dubois thing, we can get bannock o answer the OP:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20159691-da-teens-accused-in-ballplayers-slaying-wont-be-charged-with-hate-crimes?lite

DA says no evidence to say that race was the primary factor. An offensive tweet does not make a case.

The DA is a Republican in Oklahoma.

takoma wrote:The legal concept of a hate crime was created to protect oppressed minorities. This murder may well have stemmed from racial hatred, but there is an imbalance between the status of whites in America and the status of blacks. It would be a terrible crime if a group of black men lynched a white man, but as a matter of historic fact, that is not something that has happened repeatedly, while white lynchings of blacks were once common in parts of the country.

I have no problem with these kids being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But it seems to me that bringing up hate crimes does lttle more than say that the hundreds of lynchings and other crimes against blacks over the years (or beatings and killings of gays) are somehow less horrible because blacks kill whites also.

All killings are bad, but certain types are a much greater problem in our society. Not that one killing is a greater sin than another, just that certain types are a quantitatively greater problem and merit specific legal remedies.