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Anonymous wrote:It bugs me to no end when IB families bemoan OOB families without acknowledging that OOB are what carried a school when IB families were ignoring that school in favor or some other OOB, charter or private school because their IB wasn't perceived as good enough. But after OOB families do the hard work to support and raise up a school those IB want to send the OOB away. Typical.

Or more realistically those current IB families 1) did not reside within that boundary at that time, 2) did not have children at that time, or 3) some combination or 1) & 2)

By the time a school experiences this kind of turnaround (ie 3-5 years depending on the school, level of the parent involvement, etc) it's often an entirely new crop of families getting on board.

I suspect a lot of the angst on these boards come from parents with young children who are concerned about future PS3 seats for their young children. The crowd clamoring for SWS proximity is not parents with school aged children. That ship has pretty much sailed. This is future turf.

To be fair, the OOB families of today aren't the same ones who "carried" the school in the past either.

If it's OOB kids who have spots that IB families say they wanted, then yes, they likely are. The only way OOB families get spots at "desirable" schools is if IB families say "I'll pass."With the exception of Bancroft (which gives siblings of OOB students preference before IB kids) IB always get preference. So you'll find that many OOB kids at good schools are families that have been there a long time via older siblings. At most good schools it's become very rare that a straight up OOB student without some sort of preference gets in.

Or - the OOB folks who lament a lack of spots at "desirable" schools should be raising holy hell about their own IB choice, getting involved and demanding change at their own school - which is how the "desirable" schools became "desirable" in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:It bugs me to no end when IB families bemoan OOB families without acknowledging that OOB are what carried a school when IB families were ignoring that school in favor or some other OOB, charter or private school because their IB wasn't perceived as good enough. But after OOB families do the hard work to support and raise up a school those IB want to send the OOB away. Typical.

Or more realistically those current IB families 1) did not reside within that boundary at that time, 2) did not have children at that time, or 3) some combination or 1) & 2)

By the time a school experiences this kind of turnaround (ie 3-5 years depending on the school, level of the parent involvement, etc) it's often an entirely new crop of families getting on board.

I suspect a lot of the angst on these boards come from parents with young children who are concerned about future PS3 seats for their young children. The crowd clamoring for SWS proximity is not parents with school aged children. That ship has pretty much sailed. This is future turf.

To be fair, the OOB families of today aren't the same ones who "carried" the school in the past either.

If it's OOB kids who have spots that IB families say they wanted, then yes, they likely are. The only way OOB families get spots at "desirable" schools is if IB families say "I'll pass."With the exception of Bancroft (which gives siblings of OOB students preference before IB kids) IB always get preference. So you'll find that many OOB kids at good schools are families that have been there a long time via older siblings. At most good schools it's become very rare that a straight up OOB student without some sort of preference gets in.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the original point of the thread...I don't see SWS being made a neighborhood school. Children from other areas are facing closing schools...taking away yet another choice is something Henderson isn't willing to do politically, even if it makes a small pocket of families happy. I mean, we're a couple days into this petition and it hasn't even gotten its 300 signatures.

+1. I'm sure you're right. The petition seems hopeless. The school boundaries battle is bogged down as Henderson and Catania duke it out. SWS would need boundaries, if just in the form of a proximity preference with the proximity square (3000 feet per side) providing de facto boundaries, to serve the neighborhood. No boundaries, no preference, even if the political will were there, which it isn't.

Anonymous wrote:Back to the original point of the thread...I don't see SWS being made a neighborhood school. Children from other areas are facing closing schools...taking away yet another choice is something Henderson isn't willing to do politically, even if it makes a small pocket of families happy. I mean, we're a couple days into this petition and it hasn't even gotten its 300 signatures.

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The reason the Hill schools are full of OOB kids is b/c there are spaces for them that aren't filled by IB kids. If you don't want OOB kids there, fill those spaces with your kids.

(FWIW, I am an OOB parent at a Hill school -- though I do live on the Hill, just not IB for the specific school my kid attends.)

If only it were that simple, just fill those spaces with your kids. The problem with this recommendation is that it's made to individuals when Hill gentrifiers have a herd mentality. What happened at Brent and Maury in the early 2000s is that yuppies with toddlers who were getting to know one another at local playgrounds (at Turtle and Lincoln Parks) decided to band together to change school cultures to the point that they would be comfortable sending their own children to their IB schools. They have succeeded in spades to the point that, to some extent, their schools have become victims of their own success. Brent's FARMS percentage is now in the teens, and dropping with every passing year. You're not getting that sort of group cohension or momentum with the Stanton Park crowd. If you were, you wouldn't simply see a petition to keep SWS a neighborhood school, you would have seen one to oust Principal Cobbs at Ludlow-Taylor. Maybe that petition is coming. I'm looking forward to seeing L-T fixed up at any rate - maybe new windows will inspire new thinking. A shiny renovation hasn't hurt JO Wilson - you hear about a neighborhood-supported PTA coming together there.