Anonymous
Post 02/05/2014 10:09     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
When our school had a parent meeting for the AAP program we were told that the Cogat (FAT) would be age-normed. Can someone explain how they know it is not age-normed? There is a section of the results labeled "Age Scores" and "Standard Age Score".
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 22:15     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Yawn.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 19:23     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
1st 2014 OP: My bad. Actually refreshing.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 18:08     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If admission were based only on test scores, this argument would have validity.

Chill out and wait for the admission decisions before you freak out. There is an appeal process for a reason.


My child was born in July (young) and scored 93%. He was sick during the NNAT test and scored 130. Did not make the cut off. He has good grades.

We cannot afford the WISC, I cannot appeal with any new test scores. Doesn't look good for us.


Didn't I see something that says kids can test one additional time during their ES career?


Can have WISC done at discounted rate at George Mason University if eligible for free or reduced price lunch.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 17:52     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
This thread is a year old.
Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 17:46     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
GOOD GRIEF!!
People will search for anything to get their way!

I'm curious as to what age (or grade) it stops mattering if you're 6 months "Jane's" elder?

So does it matter if Jane's parents are older? Or maybe they should be younger? Because obviously having such an age will surely make a difference in rearing and teaching the child?

Here's a reality check for ya . . . My kid is in the pool. But I don't want him in AAP. Know why? Because of the attitudes of the kids that are in AAP this year (and those that will likely be in it next year). I'm mor concerned about him taking cues from crap-head kids AT AGE 7, than I am concerned about his education!

Can I sue YOU? Anyone want to join in on a class action lawsuit?




Anonymous
Post 02/03/2014 17:30     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If admission were based only on test scores, this argument would have validity.

Chill out and wait for the admission decisions before you freak out. There is an appeal process for a reason.


My child was born in July (young) and scored 93%. He was sick during the NNAT test and scored 130. Did not make the cut off. He has good grades.

We cannot afford the WISC, I cannot appeal with any new test scores. Doesn't look good for us.


Didn't I see something that says kids can test one additional time during their ES career?
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2013 11:11     Subject: Re:It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Sorry, I meant to say the parent referral materials are due this Friday Feb. 8th. They are very easy to prepare, you really only need the Parent Referral Form and the Parent/Guardian Questionnare to have a decent package. Good luck!
Anonymous
Post 02/06/2013 11:09     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If admission were based only on test scores, this argument would have validity.

Chill out and wait for the admission decisions before you freak out. There is an appeal process for a reason.


My child was born in July (young) and scored 93%. He was sick during the NNAT test and scored 130. Did not make the cut off. He has good grades.

We cannot afford the WISC, I cannot appeal with any new test scores. Doesn't look good for us.


I hope you are reading this. Please do your child a favor and parent refer (due to your school's AART this Friday Feb. 6th). We did get a WISC with scores that are lower than yours (NNAT 128 FAT 90) and the WISC was very high (Full Scale IQ 136). Your child likely needs to be in AAP. The psychologist who administered the WISC told me that my child's county scores (lower than your child's) are actually pretty good for this year's pool, and might have been successful even without the WISC. Please, please parent refer for your child's sake. I really hope your child gets in.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2013 22:38     Subject: Re:It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, hit send too soon.

...If you are an underrepresented, non native speaker, that is the demographic that fcps said they are trying to bring into the fold, at the meetings last fall. The fact that your child is coming from a school with many esl students, and also many free/reduced lunch students might also help your child's case. I would also look into the data of how many kids at your school traditionally qualify for AAP, and include that in your packet. If your child scored so close to the cut off, but is from a demographic where few kids actually make it into AAP, then perhaps that shows that your child is at the top for children with similar language and socioeconomic issues, and will also demonstrate the challenges your child is facing, and the potential your child shows in spite of those challenges.

Good luck!


I read recently that FCPS has "promised" the state that they will increase ESOL & other minority students in AAP by 10%. Not quite sure how they can promise something that should be not in their control but there it is.


Hi, original poster here, thanks for all the advise about the ESOL and other minority help. We are immigrants to the U.S., about 6 years here. We are Vietnamese and came here legally. I understand there is not help for Asians as they are over represented and we are not a minority class status. Not sure why as we came here legally for reasons of a political nature.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2013 22:34     Subject: Re:It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:Grade norm should suffice.


Rubbish. Then why do they norm for age for NNAT, WISC, and the nationally accepted CogAT?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2013 22:17     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Sorry, I meant "least" stupid...
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2013 22:16     Subject: It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Remember though that Fcps can do exActly what they want . Gifted services are not mandated-- only a local plan is. If you look at the neighboring school districts, you'll see that Fcps can construct these services however they choose to and if that is changing the screening method, so be it.


bingo. No one has a property right to AAP admission. They used the same method for all the test takers. perfectly legal.


No, they didn't , if the questions are not standardized for age. That's what we've been saying all along.


Yes, they did. The same questions were given to all the children in the grade. They were all scored using the same answer key.

Now I'm waiting for the post where parents of summer birthday kids are going to complain that their GBRS scores should be weighted because redshirted kids in the class had an extra year to develop their gifted behaviors.


Simple questions: Why are WISC IQ tests and national CogAT scores and the NNAT age normalized by month?


Yeah, geniuses, let's hear it! Let's see who can come up with the less stupid explanation!
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2013 21:37     Subject: Re:It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, hit send too soon.

...If you are an underrepresented, non native speaker, that is the demographic that fcps said they are trying to bring into the fold, at the meetings last fall. The fact that your child is coming from a school with many esl students, and also many free/reduced lunch students might also help your child's case. I would also look into the data of how many kids at your school traditionally qualify for AAP, and include that in your packet. If your child scored so close to the cut off, but is from a demographic where few kids actually make it into AAP, then perhaps that shows that your child is at the top for children with similar language and socioeconomic issues, and will also demonstrate the challenges your child is facing, and the potential your child shows in spite of those challenges.

Good luck!


I read recently that FCPS has "promised" the state that they will increase ESOL & other minority students in AAP by 10%. Not quite sure how they can promise something that should be not in their control but there it is.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2013 19:51     Subject: Re:It's official: CogAT scores are not age-adjusted this year!!!
Anonymous wrote:Grade norm should suffice.


Ok Mr. PhD clinical psychologist.