Pro-choice poster here. I think an abortion at 28 weeks can only be justified if: 1) It has only recently been discovered that the fetus has severe birth defects, or 2) The life of the mother, if the pregnancy continues, is severely threatened. If either of those are the case, an abortion is justified. You can characterize it as violent if you like.

No one has answered my question. Are you okay with chopping up 28 week old premature babies because it would be hard for the mother to care for it? You know, give birth, break the babies limbs, and suck it up in a vacuum.

If this is okay, then my point is proven that you have no conscience. If not, then why is it okay to chop up a 28 week old baby in utero? Why is one life worthy of protecting, but with the other there is the "choice" to kill?

Anonymous wrote:1. I think the life of the baby is separate from that of the mom.

2. I think that puts added pressure and more responsibility on the mom, but ummm that is the price you pay for being female and being able to give birth. take the good with the bad.

3. that said, I'm ok with the day after pill. the more the day after pill is used, the less # of difficult abortion choices need to be made.

it takes 2 to make a baby
So how does that put the pressure on the mom? What about the man?

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Anonymous wrote:Additionally, 16:31, I did not compare cows to people. I compared them to fetuses. Fetuses are not people. They are something less than people -- anyone not insane will concede that. The question is how much less, at what points, and what are the ramifications of that? What is the proper balance?

You need a course in logic. And linguistics. You need to learn to use language with precision. And to think more critically. Try harder.

They have a heartbeat you smug little prick. Deny science all you wish, you're clueless.

This is what happens when you listen only to people who agree with you. You say the mantra over and over, and then you start to overlook obvious facts like how cows have heartbeats, too.

Actually, it's what happens when I ask my wife's opinion, who happens to be seven weeks pregnant, maybe she's biased, maybe it's the life growing inside of her. And if you're married, you should know not to go to your spouse for affirmations.

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Anonymous wrote:Additionally, 16:31, I did not compare cows to people. I compared them to fetuses. Fetuses are not people. They are something less than people -- anyone not insane will concede that. The question is how much less, at what points, and what are the ramifications of that? What is the proper balance?

You need a course in logic. And linguistics. You need to learn to use language with precision. And to think more critically. Try harder.

They have a heartbeat you smug little prick. Deny science all you wish, you're clueless.

This is what happens when you listen only to people who agree with you. You say the mantra over and over, and then you start to overlook obvious facts like how cows have heartbeats, too.

Anonymous wrote:1. I think the life of the baby is separate from that of the mom.

2. I think that puts added pressure and more responsibility on the mom, but ummm that is the price you pay for being female and being able to give birth. take the good with the bad.

3. that said, I'm ok with the day after pill. the more the day after pill is used, the less # of difficult abortion choices need to be made.

Number 2 is wrong.
Number 2 means that the responsibility is on society to provide for that woman, she is the one carrying a prescious load. So give her free medical care, and do not forget about her after that. Also give paid maternity leave, subsidised day care and paid-for summer camps etc

So do cows. Who let you near a computer today?

Anonymous wrote:Additionally, 16:31, I did not compare cows to people. I compared them to fetuses. Fetuses are not people. They are something less than people -- anyone not insane will concede that. The question is how much less, at what points, and what are the ramifications of that? What is the proper balance?

You need a course in logic. And linguistics. You need to learn to use language with precision. And to think more critically. Try harder.

They have a heartbeat you smug little prick. Deny science all you wish, you're clueless.

Additionally, 16:31, I did not compare cows to people. I compared them to fetuses. Fetuses are not people. They are something less than people -- anyone not insane will concede that. The question is how much less, at what points, and what are the ramifications of that? What is the proper balance?

You need a course in logic. And linguistics. You need to learn to use language with precision. And to think more critically. Try harder.

Anonymous wrote:1. I think the life of the baby is separate from that of the mom.

2. I think that puts added pressure and more responsibility on the mom, but ummm that is the price you pay for being female and being able to give birth. take the good with the bad.

3. that said, I'm ok with the day after pill. the more the day after pill is used, the less # of difficult abortion choices need to be made.

Yes, but the categorical twits on here will argue that the morning after pill is an abortion. The idea of a continuum is just too complicated for some people.

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Anonymous wrote:Should we have the right to kill baby cows just because some people like veal? That really weakens the logical premise of the pro-lifers arguments.

Should we have the right to kill the cows in the most inhumane way possible? Or should the methods be regulated by law? This question also has huge implications for the anti-abortionists.

ummm, you are comparing human babies to cows? fail.

You simplistic little twit. I am not saying they are the same. But I am using a comparison to make a point. Cows are sentient beings. They have some rights -- society just doesn't agree as to what they are. I would suggest that breeding a baby cow just to kill because some people like veal may not be justifiable. Or maybe it can. It's certainly not as simple as "fail". Did you miss college?

1. I think the life of the baby is separate from that of the mom.

2. I think that puts added pressure and more responsibility on the mom, but ummm that is the price you pay for being female and being able to give birth. take the good with the bad.

3. that said, I'm ok with the day after pill. the more the day after pill is used, the less # of difficult abortion choices need to be made.

Anonymous wrote:Should we have the right to kill baby cows just because some people like veal? That really weakens the logical premise of the pro-lifers arguments.

Should we have the right to kill the cows in the most inhumane way possible? Or should the methods be regulated by law? This question also has huge implications for the anti-abortionists.

ummm, you are comparing human babies to cows? fail.

Castrate all men. No sperm, therefore no babies.

Should we have the right to kill baby cows just because some people like veal? That really weakens the logical premise of the pro-lifers arguments.

Should we have the right to kill the cows in the most inhumane way possible? Or should the methods be regulated by law? This question also has huge implications for the anti-abortionists.