Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 11:25     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist.


How so? Where are the eugenics in this?
well
you have 4 year olds reciting words like 'indivisible', 'republic', etc etc
There is no way they even understand those words.
And this 'pledge allegiance'
How do they even know what a pledge is? Why make kids give pledges, and starting at such a young age.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 11:13     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:...need to step back, reprioritize, and focus oll that righteous indignation on issues that actually affect their kids.


You're right, it is not a big deal, and I won't lose sleep over it. However, long-term, it is a battle worth fighting. A world where people are no longer brainwashed by their parents and their communities into believing in mythical beings will be a better world. "Good, for goodness sake", and all that. Symbols like the pledge of allegiance matter.

It will take time and education, but thankfully more and more people are coming to the conclusion that it is okay not to believe in a god.


If you can conceptualize good and evil, right and wrong, just and unjust, freedom and slavery, you presuppose an Absolute Standard against which all actions are judged; i.e., GOD.


Haha, I think we have had this discussion before. And like before: sure. I agree with you that there is an Absolute Standard against all actions are judged. If you want to call that God, that's fine. However, that is not remotely comparable to the God from the Bible or the Koran. It is merely an abstraction -- not something that has any influence in the world or on human behavior.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 11:09     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:...need to step back, reprioritize, and focus oll that righteous indignation on issues that actually affect their kids.


You're right, it is not a big deal, and I won't lose sleep over it. However, long-term, it is a battle worth fighting. A world where people are no longer brainwashed by their parents and their communities into believing in mythical beings will be a better world. "Good, for goodness sake", and all that. Symbols like the pledge of allegiance matter.

It will take time and education, but thankfully more and more people are coming to the conclusion that it is okay not to believe in a god.


If you can conceptualize good and evil, right and wrong, just and unjust, freedom and slavery, you presuppose an Absolute Standard against which all actions are judged; i.e., GOD.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 11:02     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:...need to step back, reprioritize, and focus oll that righteous indignation on issues that actually affect their kids.


You're right, it is not a big deal, and I won't lose sleep over it. However, long-term, it is a battle worth fighting. A world where people are no longer brainwashed by their parents and their communities into believing in mythical beings will be a better world. "Good, for goodness sake", and all that. Symbols like the pledge of allegiance matter.

It will take time and education, but thankfully more and more people are coming to the conclusion that it is okay not to believe in a god.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 10:54     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist. [/quote

I thought that I was in a bad dream (am not us citizen) when the K children did their pledge in their first day.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 09:26     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:Of the issues facing my kid's school that keep me up at night, this isn't in the top 10. Top 100, actually. Hell, it's not even on the radar screen. In my opinion, the people who get exercised about this (likely the same people who periodically sue to force the U.S. Mint to take "In God We Trust" off of US currency - do all you hysterical biddies refuse to use cash because it implies that you do trust in God?), need to step back, reprioritize, and focus oll that righteous indignation on issues that actually affect their kids.

And I am, as our slightly deranged religious friend would say, a LEFTY LIBERAL LOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! And an agnostic to boot. The horror.

(Seriously, lady, you come off as more than a bit nuts.)


I do not refuse to use money because of that. I also don't recite that I trust in God every time I spend money.

It's not a huge deal. Someone asked about it and some of us answered. I'm not petitioning the schools or government to have it removed. It's voluntary and some us exercise the right not to recite those two words and tell our children it's optional.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 08:01     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist.


How so? Where are the eugenics in this?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 08:00     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I think it's sad to remove it because of the tradition. Also, for those who do believe in God, it kinda feels like literally turning your back on him. Like we're removing JUST the God part of the pledge. At least can we make any other changes while we're at it? Make it easier to understand to the common person now?


Please read the history of "under God" in the pledge. And, to the vomiting/disgusted PP: please read your holy book. You're making yourself and the followers of your religion look bad.


It also used to be tradition to have slaves. Used to be tradition that women were PROPERTY. Women belonged to men. Shame on you.


Did you really just compare reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in schools to slavery?

Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 07:48     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Of the issues facing my kid's school that keep me up at night, this isn't in the top 10. Top 100, actually. Hell, it's not even on the radar screen. In my opinion, the people who get exercised about this (likely the same people who periodically sue to force the U.S. Mint to take "In God We Trust" off of US currency - do all you hysterical biddies refuse to use cash because it implies that you do trust in God?), need to step back, reprioritize, and focus oll that righteous indignation on issues that actually affect their kids.

And I am, as our slightly deranged religious friend would say, a LEFTY LIBERAL LOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!! And an agnostic to boot. The horror.

(Seriously, lady, you come off as more than a bit nuts.)
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 07:47     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I think it's sad to remove it because of the tradition. Also, for those who do believe in God, it kinda feels like literally turning your back on him. Like we're removing JUST the God part of the pledge. At least can we make any other changes while we're at it? Make it easier to understand to the common person now?


Please read the history of "under God" in the pledge.

And, to the vomiting/disgusted PP: please read your holy book. You're making yourself and the followers of your religion look bad.


"you holy book"????

LEFT - WING - LOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes, your holy book. It's not mine. I didn't write it and don't subscribe to its teachings. You seem to think freedom of religion means only that your religious institutions shouldn't be taxed, but it also gives me the freedom to choose to follow any or no religion at all. You should add the Constitution to your reading list as well.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2012 05:56     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist.
agreed
And it is disrespectful to the immigrants
Legal and illegal. Parents of legal immigrant children are shocked. Not a custom practiced anywhere in the world
Illegals are intimidated to keep their mouths shut.
Nationalistic
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2012 22:49     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
The whole thing (doing the pledge every morning in school) seems kind of fascist.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2012 22:46     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I think it's sad to remove it because of the tradition. Also, for those who do believe in God, it kinda feels like literally turning your back on him. Like we're removing JUST the God part of the pledge. At least can we make any other changes while we're at it? Make it easier to understand to the common person now?


Please read the history of "under God" in the pledge. And, to the vomiting/disgusted PP: please read your holy book. You're making yourself and the followers of your religion look bad.


It also used to be tradition to have slaves. Used to be tradition that women were PROPERTY. Women belonged to men. Shame on you.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2012 22:44     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't bother me either way.


this. Our public school kids proudly state the pledge of allegience as do others.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2012 22:42     Subject: pledge of allegiance in schools?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Va public schools recite it. Makes me uncomfortable, too.


Why does pledging allegiance to your nation make you uncomfortable? Part of school responsibility is to teach children how to be good citizens. What's the problem here?


I don't think that saying the pledge makes anyone a good citizen. I think you're being a good citizen when you vote, participate in jury duty, behave nicely in other countries to make Americans look like good people, etc. I do all those things and never said the pledge.