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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry to say this, but I used to wait tables and women customers were the absolute worst. It surprises me none that many of the women posting here would calculate tip pre-tax and pre booze.

I have no idea why, but groups of women at restaurants are notoriously cheap. The host would have to spread the groups of women that would come in evenly across the wait staff. If you got stuck with too many tables of them you would make no money.

There are of course exceptions, but they were exceptions.

I am a woman and was told by the most important MEN in my life, all professionals, that it was customary for the tip to be based on the pre-tax and pre-alcohol amount. I tip at least 20%.

Correction: I meant post- alcohol amount.

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry to say this, but I used to wait tables and women customers were the absolute worst. It surprises me none that many of the women posting here would calculate tip pre-tax and pre booze.

I have no idea why, but groups of women at restaurants are notoriously cheap. The host would have to spread the groups of women that would come in evenly across the wait staff. If you got stuck with too many tables of them you would make no money.

There are of course exceptions, but they were exceptions.

I am a woman and was told by the most important MEN in my life, all professionals, that it was customary for the tip to be based on the pre-tax and pre-alcohol amount. I tip at least 20%.

I was a server for years. I actually think this thread is pretty hilarious. I never sat around doing the mental math to figure out whether someone was tipping pre-tax or post-tax. At most I was thinking, "Oh, good tip" or "What a crappy tip." I can guarantee you I wasn't getting worked up over a couple bucks here and there. If servers spent that much mental energy on every tip they would drive themselves crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:I can get sued or arrested if I do not pay my house cleaner or landscaper. The only legal contract at a restaurant is the price that is posted at a menu.
It is not stealing or shoplifting if that is all I pay. Don't post here and complain. The restaurant still makes a profit. Your choice to be a waitress. A waiter is not a beggar but asalaried employee

They really aren't salaried employees. Restaurants are only required to pay them $2.13 / hour because the government considers that tip income is expected.

And if there is no tip, the law says restaurant must pay minimum wage.
Call the cops on me if you like. I rarely go to the same place 2 times, if I do it is at a totally different time and on another month or so. Never had bad service, I would not mind bad service

You seem to be a really mean person with an ugly heart. Your attitude of "I've got mine, fuck you" just makes you one of those people who most other people don't like. Ask yourself if the world will be a better place for you having been in it? Will people remember you once your gone and think that you made a difference? Or are you just selfish and self serving? You seem like a person who only does the right thing when people are looking (and maybe not even then).

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Anonymous wrote:I can get sued or arrested if I do not pay my house cleaner or landscaper. The only legal contract at a restaurant is the price that is posted at a menu.
It is not stealing or shoplifting if that is all I pay. Don't post here and complain. The restaurant still makes a profit. Your choice to be a waitress. A waiter is not a beggar but asalaried employee

They really aren't salaried employees. Restaurants are only required to pay them $2.13 / hour because the government considers that tip income is expected.

And if there is no tip, the law says restaurant must pay minimum wage.
Call the cops on me if you like. I rarely go to the same place 2 times, if I do it is at a totally different time and on another month or so. Never had bad service, I would not mind bad service

You must live a really sad and narrow life.

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Anonymous wrote:I can get sued or arrested if I do not pay my house cleaner or landscaper. The only legal contract at a restaurant is the price that is posted at a menu.
It is not stealing or shoplifting if that is all I pay. Don't post here and complain. The restaurant still makes a profit. Your choice to be a waitress. A waiter is not a beggar but asalaried employee

They really aren't salaried employees. Restaurants are only required to pay them $2.13 / hour because the government considers that tip income is expected.

And if there is no tip, the law says restaurant must pay minimum wage.
Call the cops on me if you like. I rarely go to the same place 2 times, if I do it is at a totally different time and on another month or so. Never had bad service, I would not mind bad service

Anonymous wrote:I can get sued or arrested if I do not pay my house cleaner or landscaper. The only legal contract at a restaurant is the price that is posted at a menu.
It is not stealing or shoplifting if that is all I pay. Don't post here and complain. The restaurant still makes a profit. Your choice to be a waitress. A waiter is not a beggar but asalaried employee

You are a jerk, it's really that simple. And I'm not a waitress, but I used to be one, and I hated people like you. They got shitty service on purpose because they deserve it. After all, it's their choice to be an asshole.

again the rules are pretax: 10% is the minimum, 15% for average 20% or higher for OUT OF THIS WORLD service.

Anonymous wrote:I can get sued or arrested if I do not pay my house cleaner or landscaper. The only legal contract at a restaurant is the price that is posted at a menu.
It is not stealing or shoplifting if that is all I pay. Don't post here and complain. The restaurant still makes a profit. Your choice to be a waitress. A waiter is not a beggar but asalaried employee

They really aren't salaried employees. Restaurants are only required to pay them $2.13 / hour because the government considers that tip income is expected.

I can get sued or arrested if I do not pay my house cleaner or landscaper. The only legal contract at a restaurant is the price that is posted at a menu.
It is not stealing or shoplifting if that is all I pay. Don't post here and complain. The restaurant still makes a profit. Your choice to be a waitress. A waiter is not a beggar but asalaried employee

Why are so many people on this thread acting like paying for wait service is any different than paying for other services? You don't NOT pay your housekeeper, landscaper or other services professionals do you? And the argument that the restaurant should just charge 20% more for your meal is BS. If you are willing to pay a premium if the restaurant charges for it, but not as a tip directly to your server, what does this suggest about you? I think it suggests that you think you are infintely superior to "those people." Get over yourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people here demand bonuses or expect them every year.

False equivalency. Look it up.

How so? The debate is whether tipping 20% is part of normal service. Here is the guide, Notice that 10% is the minimum


Waiter/waitress: 15% of bill (excl. tax) for adequate service; 20% for very good service; no less than 10% for poor service
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tipping/

Hey genius - fine. Be cheap. But as previous posters said the paltry $2 and some change that servers are paid in "salary" usually amounts in a paycheck of $0 after taxes. So by not tipping - or by being a cheap tightass - you are essentially cheating a person who provided a service from you out of a wage. Don't like it? Stay the fuck home!

How is it being cheap? Not all of us make 500k a year

Guess what? Neither do I. Not even close, but when I do eat out I don't cheat my server out what they earned. Stop trying to justify your cheapness. You will get no pass from me.

Anonymous wrote:I wish tipping were illegal. It is a pain. I'd vote for any candidate who said they would make tipping illegal.

I'd vote for any candidate who would outlaw willful stupidity like yours.

Anonymous wrote:Sorry tips is given if service exceeds expectations. So do that and you will get one.

Man, all you jerks are SO DUE for a lesson in karma. I hope it bites you in the ass hard one day.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many people here demand bonuses or expect them every year.

False equivalency. Look it up.

How so? The debate is whether tipping 20% is part of normal service. Here is the guide, Notice that 10% is the minimum


Waiter/waitress: 15% of bill (excl. tax) for adequate service; 20% for very good service; no less than 10% for poor service
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/tipping/

Hey genius - fine. Be cheap. But as previous posters said the paltry $2 and some change that servers are paid in "salary" usually amounts in a paycheck of $0 after taxes. So by not tipping - or by being a cheap tightass - you are essentially cheating a person who provided a service from you out of a wage. Don't like it? Stay the fuck home!

How is it being cheap? Not all of us make 500k a year