Hmmm, you make many of the same grammatical mistakes.

But assuming you're not her, we'll have to conclude that you agree with the whole MoCo "old guard" conspiracy thing. I feel sorry for you. But I do have some tinfoil hats to sell you, if you're interested.

Anonymous wrote:

"some truths and issues can be painful to acknowledge"

Its painful to acknowledge that Asians are succeeding? No that is not painful.

It pains me that someone keeps pointing out the gap between Asians and whites, when blacks and hispanics are lagging MUCH further behind than both. I think its very sad that these groups seem to be mainly overlooked. I hope the new MCPS policy really will help ALL children succeed. I am going to wait to see how it goes before jumping to conclusions.

That's certainly one way to look at it. I'm sure another take is some whites are pained by the success of Asians. What appears certain from this discussion is there is a widening achievement gap between Asian American and everyone else. We should be delighted that Asian Americans are doing so well and try to raise the achievement of everyone (including Asians) to a high bar. How does removing the math pathways for any children achieve this goal? It doesn't. Unfortunately, I think waiting will be too late if you have children MCPS. If you don't I guess you can wait with low risk.

Anonymous wrote:

Another poster here. New poster, I'm sure you're well-intentioned, but you need to go back and read the entire thread to see what she's really saying. The point is NOT about whether there is an achievement gap - there may be an achievement gap, or there may not, but it's IMMATERIAL to her main point, which I'll get to next. Like the other PP said, the achievement gap is a straw man.

The crazy PP's main point is that there's a plot by a supposed white MoCo "old guard" to sabotage Asians by getting rid of math acceleration. This is ridiculous on the face of it in so many ways -- even if there is an achievement gap. For two reasons that have been repeated to her:

1. The white MoCo "old guard," by which she means white MoCo administrator parents, suffer equally if math acceleration is removed for their own progeny, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, for what again, to score off the Asians? This defies common sense.

And,

2. MoCo's clear motivation is to close the gap between Whites/Asians and Blacks/Hispanics, and THIS is why they're teaching to the middle.

I have painfully read the whole thread. i do not need your paraphrase. You are speaking for her with modification and hindsight. She flatly denied the existence of a gap and challenged the poster. Poof, emerged a news article from the Post only a year ago acknowledging the widening rift in achievement performance of Asian American middle school students and everyone else (referencing a study in MD).

We do not need your interpretation. We a capable of getting at the issues and concerns raised on both sides.

Thanks

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another poster here. New poster, I'm sure you're well-intentioned, but you need to go back and read the entire thread to see what she's really saying. The point is NOT about whether there is an achievement gap - there may be an achievement gap, or there may not, but it's IMMATERIAL to her main point, which I'll get to next. Like the other PP said, the achievement gap is a straw man.

The crazy PP's main point is that there's a plot by a supposed white MoCo "old guard" to sabotage Asians by getting rid of math acceleration. This is ridiculous on the face of it in so many ways -- even if there is an achievement gap. For two reasons that have been repeated to her:

1. The white MoCo "old guard," by which she means white MoCo administrator parents, suffer equally if math acceleration is removed for their own progeny, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, for what again, to score off the Asians? This defies common sense.

And,

2. MoCo's clear motivation is to close the gap between Whites/Asians and Blacks/Hispanics, and THIS is why they're teaching to the middle.

I agree with you, although the crazy poster does claim there is a significant gap between Asians and whites that MCPS is attempting to narrow.

Another poster here. New poster, I'm sure you're well-intentioned, but you need to go back and read the entire thread to see what she's really saying. The point is NOT about whether there is an achievement gap - there may be an achievement gap, or there may not, but it's IMMATERIAL to her main point, which I'll get to next. Like the other PP said, the achievement gap is a straw man.

The crazy PP's main point is that there's a plot by a supposed white MoCo "old guard" to sabotage Asians by getting rid of math acceleration. This is ridiculous on the face of it in so many ways -- even if there is an achievement gap. For two reasons that have been repeated to her:

1. The white MoCo "old guard," by which she means white MoCo administrator parents, suffer equally if math acceleration is removed for their own progeny, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, for what again, to score off the Asians? This defies common sense.

And,

2. MoCo's clear motivation is to close the gap between Whites/Asians and Blacks/Hispanics, and THIS is why they're teaching to the middle.

Anonymous wrote:Another poster here. New poster, I'm sure you're well-intentioned, but you need to go back and read the entire thread to see what she's really saying. The point is NOT about whether there is an achievement gap - there may be an achievement gap, or there may not, but it's IMMATERIAL to her main point, which I'll get to next. Like the other PP said, the achievement gap is a straw man.

The crazy PP's main point is that there's a plot by a supposed white MoCo "old guard" to sabotage Asians by getting rid of math acceleration. This is ridiculous on the face of it in so many ways -- even if there is an achievement gap. For two reasons that have been repeated to her:

1. The white MoCo "old guard," by which she means white MoCo administrator parents, suffer equally if math acceleration is removed for their own progeny, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, for what again, to score off the Asians? This defies common sense.

And,

2. MoCo's clear motivation is to close the gap between Whites/Asians and Blacks/Hispanics, and THIS is why they're teaching to the middle.

Anonymous wrote:

It is sobering to note many of those individuals raising those concerns about the College Board were similarly visciously attacked with the same language used here.

"some truths and issues can be painful to acknowledge"

Its painful to acknowledge that Asians are succeeding? No that is not painful.

It pains me that someone keeps pointing out the gap between Asians and whites, when blacks and hispanics are lagging MUCH further behind than both. I think its very sad that these groups seem to be mainly overlooked. I hope the new MCPS policy really will help ALL children succeed. I am going to wait to see how it goes before jumping to conclusions.

It doesn't matter who the poster is - but I have not seen much of intelligence from this person. Calling people names (bimbo, tea-bagger, etc) does not make me take the person and their argument very seriously at all. I think the person is a troll who like to stir things up. I would like to read an intelligent discussion about the achievement gap and the new MCPS policy - but clearly this site is not the place to do it. I'm outta here!

I'm not the poster you are responding to but a few things.

The posters background is insignificant, I agree with you. However, don't let the poster get away with putting up the strawman about whether or not certain groups perform better than other groups. It does not matter.

It still does not address the issue with the overwhelming numbers of the so called "old guard" who benefit from acceleration. Its a huge leap to say there is a conspiracy against a certain group in light of the fact that the policy would hurt the children of the "old guard" also.

Anonymous wrote:New poster

Does it really matter if she is White, Asian, Black, Hispanic or Other? She was correct about the widening performance and achievement gap between Asians and all the rest in the County. You were not. I think she is correct about the MCPS decision makers not reflecting or representing the rapidly diverse students and clients the school system serves? If this is the case, she may have legitimate concerns about the motives behind some of the policy decisions and she has raised them?

Does it really matter what race or ethnicity she is? The facts are the facts. The concerns are the concerns.


Is that the point of the thread here OP: "To all who have a problem with MO CO changing demographics"

I wonder whether many here do have a problem with MO CO changing demographics?

If its not a conspiracy what do you attribute it to? Group think?

No, perhaps a clerical error. But, this mistake is continually repeated despite past experience.

If its not a conspiracy what do you attribute it to? Group think?