Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:25
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:society is more equal that way.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So save money in the bank just call it a motherhood tax. How is imposing tax on everyone will help anything? Btw, it sounds you have never ever owned any successful money making business in your life and that is why you can make these egregious demand. By the way you sound like an entitled government employee . Please tell me this is true?
Have you traveled much? You sound like a card-carrying provincial American.
People from other countries are aghast when they hear our maternity and early childcare policies.
So you are an entitled government employee aren't you? I did travel a lot mostly for business purpose and still I don't see any reason why we should pay women to have babies.
Why must the woman be without a paycheck and not the man too? Should hee not also make do without a salary?
Because they are not providing any goods and services for which compensation is deserved. They wanna get paid for doing nothing which I don't believe is fair.
It's discriminatory. Period. In order for society to continue to exist there must be more humans. Men + women provide that. Women must take time for their bodies to heal and, in most opinions, should take more time to care for their children. During all of this, women are w/o a paycheck. Men, in large part, are not. This is so despite the fact that women perform "jobs" that are as much, if not more, important.
If you think maternity leave is "doing nothing" than you are a complete dipshit who is either a 1) man or 2) person w/o kids. Don't give me any shit about this. I used to be use. I believed as you do. Until I had a child. Having a child is the hardest, and most important, job of all. Unless you want a society of crass, irresponsible, assholes. No? You want a civilized society? Then than the parents.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:19
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
You can't afford me, loser. If you knew me you would beg me to work for you.
I am sorry I don't employ I don't employ entitled government workers. As far as affording you , I am pretty sure I can afford you ten times over.
I am not a government worker, loser. I work for a private company which gives me all the flexibility I want re: childcare. Because, guess what "business-woman" - there are many employees worth much more than 6 months of paid leave. But it's no that shocking that bottom dwellers like you have never met them.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:16
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:society is more equal that way.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So save money in the bank just call it a motherhood tax. How is imposing tax on everyone will help anything? Btw, it sounds you have never ever owned any successful money making business in your life and that is why you can make these egregious demand. By the way you sound like an entitled government employee . Please tell me this is true?
Have you traveled much? You sound like a card-carrying provincial American.
People from other countries are aghast when they hear our maternity and early childcare policies.
So you are an entitled government employee aren't you? I did travel a lot mostly for business purpose and still I don't see any reason why we should pay women to have babies.
Why must the woman be without a paycheck and not the man too? Should hee not also make do without a salary?
Because they are not providing any goods and services for which compensation is deserved. They wanna get paid for doing nothing which I don't believe is fair.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:14
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
You can't afford me, loser. If you knew me you would beg me to work for you.
I am sorry I don't employ I don't employ entitled government workers. As far as affording you , I am pretty sure I can afford you ten times over.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:13
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
I am sorry I don't employ I don't employ entitled government workers. As far as affording you , I am pretty sure I can afford you ten times over.
You can't afford me, loser. If you knew me you would beg me to work for you.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:11
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
I am sorry I don't employ I don't employ entitled government workers. As far as affording you , I am pretty sure I can afford you ten times over.
You can't afford me, loser. If you knew me you would beg me to work for you.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 22:10
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
I am sorry I don't employ I don't employ entitled government workers. As far as affording you , I am pretty sure I can afford you ten times over.
You can't afford me, loser. If you knew me you would beg me to work for you.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:58
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Wow, this thread is kind of ugly.
It's a sad thread, because, ultimately, I think it is about priorities and the anger around perceived priorities.
Parents want policies that are favorable to their expectations and are outraged and want more generous leave policies, with pay, and want the country as a whole to support them because, perhaps, they see having children as some superior pursuit.
Other workers have other priorities. A few days ago, someone posted about their husband with a chronic illness who couldn't be at work and overwhelmingly, posters told him that he deserved to be fired. To be fair, I don't have anything to say about that particular situation...I'm not the OP and I have no idea what the circumstances were....but it brought something interesting up. Surely, if I didn't know the details, no one else did. Yet, nearly everyone on the thread thought he should be fired.
Dueling priorities. Mothers want generous leave. People with chronic illnesses want generous leave. But there doesn't seem to be any common ground...no joint effort to address the real issue, which is the cognitive dissonance between wanting low taxes and no government until we actually need something and then wanting to kill each other for the legitimacy of our need.
Crazy.
It's a sad thread, because, ultimately, I think it is about priorities and the anger around perceived priorities.
Parents want policies that are favorable to their expectations and are outraged and want more generous leave policies, with pay, and want the country as a whole to support them because, perhaps, they see having children as some superior pursuit.
Other workers have other priorities. A few days ago, someone posted about their husband with a chronic illness who couldn't be at work and overwhelmingly, posters told him that he deserved to be fired. To be fair, I don't have anything to say about that particular situation...I'm not the OP and I have no idea what the circumstances were....but it brought something interesting up. Surely, if I didn't know the details, no one else did. Yet, nearly everyone on the thread thought he should be fired.
Dueling priorities. Mothers want generous leave. People with chronic illnesses want generous leave. But there doesn't seem to be any common ground...no joint effort to address the real issue, which is the cognitive dissonance between wanting low taxes and no government until we actually need something and then wanting to kill each other for the legitimacy of our need.
Crazy.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:38
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
society is more equal that way.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So save money in the bank just call it a motherhood tax. How is imposing tax on everyone will help anything? Btw, it sounds you have never ever owned any successful money making business in your life and that is why you can make these egregious demand. By the way you sound like an entitled government employee . Please tell me this is true?
Have you traveled much? You sound like a card-carrying provincial American.
People from other countries are aghast when they hear our maternity and early childcare policies.
So you are an entitled government employee aren't you? I did travel a lot mostly for business purpose and still I don't see any reason why we should pay women to have babies.
Why must the woman be without a paycheck and not the man too? Should hee not also make do without a salary?
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:11
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
What does that have to do with insinuating that someone who runs a grocery store is not intelligent?
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:09
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
You can't afford me, loser. If you knew me you would beg me to work for you.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:08
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So save money in the bank just call it a motherhood tax. How is imposing tax on everyone will help anything? Btw, it sounds you have never ever owned any successful money making business in your life and that is why you can make these egregious demand. By the way you sound like an entitled government employee . Please tell me this is true?
Have you traveled much? You sound like a card-carrying provincial American.
People from other countries are aghast when they hear our maternity and early childcare policies.
So what? Who cares what "people" from other countries think?
But of course they're all still lining up to get into this country anyway....
You mean people from Mexico or Africa? Few Europeans are coming to the US.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:04
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.
And I am going to promote business friendly policies so that losers like you can stay employed. Also you choose to have kids, so deal with it.
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:02
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:
So save money in the bank just call it a motherhood tax. How is imposing tax on everyone will help anything? Btw, it sounds you have never ever owned any successful money making business in your life and that is why you can make these egregious demand. By the way you sound like an entitled government employee . Please tell me this is true?
Have you traveled much? You sound like a card-carrying provincial American.
People from other countries are aghast when they hear our maternity and early childcare policies.
So what? Who cares what "people" from other countries think?
But of course they're all still lining up to get into this country anyway....
Anonymous
05/28/2012 21:00
Subject: Maternity leave in the US - what do you think is reasonable?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not about self-worth but about career. You are apparently running a grocery store so do not really grasp the concept.
What?
Is that supposed to be an insult to the PP? Do you shop at a grocery store? Someone has to run it you stupid twat.
Yes, it is. I am tired of being forced to bow at the altar of "small business people". Having children is a choice but ability of some loser to deal with regulations and make a payroll yada yada is something we should all worry about.
I don't care how hard it is for you to run your business. You chose to do it. I am going to do my best to promote policies that work for me and people like me, not you.