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Anonymous

05/15/2012 13:05 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

After scanning many of these posts, I was struck by the poster who said they didn't like children.

Wow. Isn't there another forum for you then?

The other thing that's striking here is the lack decency on the part of the owner of the bigger dog. Because, regardless of fault, it's a tragic situation.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:59 Subject: Re:Brutal murder in Glover Park

jsteele wrote:I notice many posts are responding to "Freckles mom". As another poster pointed out above, no poster has identified themselves as such. One poster has claimed to have personal knowledge of the situation. I know the identity of that poster and it is not the dog's owner. In addition, another poster compared the death of a pet to the death of a child. These two posters are not the same individual.

In a forum in which most users post anonymously, it is easy to confuse identities. As such, quite a bit of caution is required before making guesses about identities.

I suppose that it is good that I still retain the capacity to be shocked by the amount of cruelness some of you are capable of demonstrating. Or, perhaps that is owed more to some posters' ability to continually raise the bar on insensitivity. Regardless, please remember that the woman in this story is a female resident of Washington, DC -- the exact characteristics of the largest portion of DCUM's audience. She could very well be one of our readers. I think it would be reasonable for posters to respond in a manner that would be suitable for speaking to the dog owner in real life, because this is, in fact, real life. A real person lost a much-loved pet. Regardless of the circumstances or on whom the blame should be placed, a bit of sympathy is not too much to ask.

You tell them Jeff!

TO be fair though, the title of the thread incited the viciousness. "Brutal Murder", come on? if OP didn't post this for sensationalism then I don't know what.

jsteele

05/15/2012 12:51 Subject: Re:Brutal murder in Glover Park

I notice many posts are responding to "Freckles mom". As another poster pointed out above, no poster has identified themselves as such. One poster has claimed to have personal knowledge of the situation. I know the identity of that poster and it is not the dog's owner. In addition, another poster compared the death of a pet to the death of a child. These two posters are not the same individual.

In a forum in which most users post anonymously, it is easy to confuse identities. As such, quite a bit of caution is required before making guesses about identities.

I suppose that it is good that I still retain the capacity to be shocked by the amount of cruelness some of you are capable of demonstrating. Or, perhaps that is owed more to some posters' ability to continually raise the bar on insensitivity. Regardless, please remember that the woman in this story is a female resident of Washington, DC -- the exact characteristics of the largest portion of DCUM's audience. She could very well be one of our readers. I think it would be reasonable for posters to respond in a manner that would be suitable for speaking to the dog owner in real life, because this is, in fact, real life. A real person lost a much-loved pet. Regardless of the circumstances or on whom the blame should be placed, a bit of sympathy is not too much to ask.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:42 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freckles mom - A child is a person. Freckles was your loving companion, I am sure. But to say that his death is the same as losing a child is the same as losing another person, say a parent or a close friend. Are you saying that Freckles' death is as meaningful to you as losing a parent would be or has been?

Please never say this again.

Where in this thread has Freckles' mother announced herself, let alone compard dogs to kids?

Page 7, a few posts, and one midway down.

Ok if you're referring to the post with the DC Code citations, that would be me. I am a lawyer, and a grown man engaged in some serious procrastination at work. This story piqued my interest when I heard about it last week. I am neither Freckles' owner, nor will I ever compare a dog ownership to motherhood.

No we are obviously referring to the post that makes that comparison.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:35 Subject: Re:Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:THIS!!
I just watched the video from the news. That is not a barrier of any sort. I feel horrible for the owner but with a dog that small running up to and on that brick ledge, it was definitely acting like a squirrel in some ways and opening itself up to danger. I am curious what she wants besides an apology from the other owner...

I have two 40 lb. dogs. One is not friendly when leashed (which is all the time when we are on the street). I have had ALL kinds of dogs come bounding up to us on leash and off leash. Small, medium and HUGE. I change direction, cross the street, tell the owners my dog is not friendly, to please call their dogs, etc., to AVOID the conflict. If I can't avoid the fight, I try to break it up. I stay within the vicinity, make sure everyone is ok, no one is bleeding, etc.

We call this the "social contract." It would be different if the other dog and/or owner also came to some harm but that was not the case here.

What a concept, folks helping each other out instead of looking for who is to "blame" when someone's just lost their best friend.

The "social contract" applies both ways. Freckles owner obviously blames the dog owner for Freckles' death and is now conducting a hunt for this person all over the news, with flyers and on the internet. What exactly does she expect from him? Seems she is just as much to blame and even more since Freckles had made it a habit to antagonize every living creature passing by her property and she let him. Biggest non-news ever.

Sure, maybe a "Sorry for your loss" would have been nice but judging from the hysteria displayed by Freckle's Mom now after the event, I'm not sure I would have stuck around after it happened. The woman sounds nuts.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:16 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freckles mom - A child is a person. Freckles was your loving companion, I am sure. But to say that his death is the same as losing a child is the same as losing another person, say a parent or a close friend. Are you saying that Freckles' death is as meaningful to you as losing a parent would be or has been?

Please never say this again.

Where in this thread has Freckles' mother announced herself, let alone compard dogs to kids?

Page 7, a few posts, and one midway down.

Ok if you're referring to the post with the DC Code citations, that would be me. I am a lawyer, and a grown man engaged in some serious procrastination at work. This story piqued my interest when I heard about it last week. I am neither Freckles' owner, nor will I ever compare a dog ownership to motherhood.

What's more is that I am quite familiar with the neighborhood, as well as the juxtaposition of the retaining wall to the sidewalk where this occurred.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:16 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

If Freckles was a human child the owner would have never let the child approach the big dog in this way, yelling and antagonizing it. That would be insane.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:11 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freckles mom - A child is a person. Freckles was your loving companion, I am sure. But to say that his death is the same as losing a child is the same as losing another person, say a parent or a close friend. Are you saying that Freckles' death is as meaningful to you as losing a parent would be or has been?

Please never say this again.

Where in this thread has Freckles' mother announced herself, let alone compard dogs to kids?

Page 7, a few posts, and one midway down.

Ok if you're referring to the post with the DC Code citations, that would be me. I am a lawyer, and a grown man engaged in some serious procrastination at work. This story piqued my interest when I heard about it last week. I am neither Freckles' owner, nor will I ever compare a dog ownership to motherhood.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:05 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freckles mom - A child is a person. Freckles was your loving companion, I am sure. But to say that his death is the same as losing a child is the same as losing another person, say a parent or a close friend. Are you saying that Freckles' death is as meaningful to you as losing a parent would be or has been?

Please never say this again.

Where in this thread has Freckles' mother announced herself, let alone compard dogs to kids?

Page 7, a few posts, and one midway down.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:04 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:Freckles mom - A child is a person. Freckles was your loving companion, I am sure. But to say that his death is the same as losing a child is the same as losing another person, say a parent or a close friend. Are you saying that Freckles' death is as meaningful to you as losing a parent would be or has been?

Please never say this again.

Where in this thread has Freckles' mother announced herself, let alone compard dogs to kids?

Anonymous

05/15/2012 12:01 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Hmmm. Can see why the big dog's owner kept walking.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 11:56 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Freckles mom - A child is a person. Freckles was your loving companion, I am sure. But to say that his death is the same as losing a child is the same as losing another person, say a parent or a close friend. Are you saying that Freckles' death is as meaningful to you as losing a parent would be or has been?

Please never say this again.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 11:56 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if a mood stabilizer is what she needs, but anyone who can make such statements in earnest is clearly suffering from some kind of pathological condition.

Shame on you.

NP. WTF. Wack job said losing a dog is the same as losing a child. Anyone who can say that is off their rocker and I've had/have lots of dogs. I'll rather lose all my pets, dogs, cats,... hell, even my husband if it meant not losing one of my children.

Anonymous

05/15/2012 11:54 Subject: Brutal murder in Glover Park

Anonymous wrote:

1)Hello Freckles Mom --
2) How do we know that Freckles wasn't just shy of biting a child who was walking by?
3) If you are so quick to think the other dog is vicious I think Freckles was acting pretty vicious too.
4) Just happened he picked the fight with the bigger dog and lost.
5) But again, if you had simple control over your own dog in public (which you clearly didn't) then you set your dog up to be killed.

1) I am not the owner of Freckles.
2) Head down to Glover and talk to the witnesses. That question is laughable.
3) Dogs bark, pal. There's nothing "vicious" about it.
4) You clearly have missed the facts. No "fight" was ever "picked."
5) You clearly didn't read my post. "Control" of Freckles was never "lost." Look at the Code.

Lastly, I am blown away by how cruel some of the people in this forum can be. Once allowed to post anonymously, all accountability goes out the window, and out come the wolves (pun intended).

So the dog charging off the porch yapping is a sign of _______________? Come on, get a grip. Freckles wasn't trying to play with the other dog. Not saying what happened to Freckles is right but really pointing out, again, that Freckles owner should have had control over her dog. So many things could have happened to him. Yes, yes, we all know that this is the first time Freckles ever jumped off the porch -- we just don't buy it. He is a dog and she loved him like a child -- then she should have treated him like a child and known 1.)he would always make the wrong decision and 2.) it is her responsibility to keep him safe. This is why people have baby gates for dogs.