Anonymous
01/03/2012 14:46
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
PP here. I said that, in America we have local school districts to enforce economic disparities on one level. Then within those school districts, we usually have rigid enforcement of school boundaries. PP responded that "MCPS doesn't have local school districts." That's why I said it was a dodge. MCPS *is* the local school district.
Within MCPS you have strictly enforced boundaries. While there are stories of parents occasionally getting an out-of-boundary change, it's rare, and you must show cause. Either extreme hardship, "continuation", or sibling...
Within MCPS you have strictly enforced boundaries. While there are stories of parents occasionally getting an out-of-boundary change, it's rare, and you must show cause. Either extreme hardship, "continuation", or sibling...
Anonymous
01/03/2012 14:08
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
This makes no sense. Obviously I was talking about the larger national picture. We do indeed have "local school districts". Montgomery County PS is separate from Prince George's PS, which is separate from DCPS. Leaving that aside, there are schools that do comparatively well in MCPS, and those that do poorly. Where your child goes is dependent on where you live. Which is largely a function of household wealth.
As I said, inequality is a feature of our national school system, it's not a "bug". It won't be fixed because it serves to perpetuate the interests of the "haves" at the expense of the "have nots".
If you are talking about schools in Bethesda versus schools in Silver Spring, you are talking about the same school district, MCPS.
Within MoCo there are no "local school districts" (meaning, independent, with local control).
You're dodging the issue. Northwood High is at the far east end of the county. It's ranked significantly lower than the "good" schools. Can students at Northwood attend Churchill, for instance? Can they even apply for out-of-boundary status? The answer is "no". [/b] At least in DC, there's an out-of-boundary process where open positions can be won through the lottery. To qualify for out-of-boundary, you need to either be "grandfathered" or show some sort of overwhelming need.
It's great that everyone in MCPS shares the economic pie equally (though faililng and low-income schools actually require significantly higher levels of funding due to their student populations). But it's also clear that MCPS is highly segregated.
Actually, the answer is "yes." We live in the Einstein cachement and our neighbors' kids went to Whitman after their mother successfully petitioned for an out-of-boundary change.
I don't think PP is dodging the question at all. I think PP's point is that there are no "local districts" within MoCo, on paper, and we all pay the same tax rate, but in practice there are indeed local districts.
Anonymous
01/03/2012 11:57
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
This makes no sense. Obviously I was talking about the larger national picture. We do indeed have "local school districts". Montgomery County PS is separate from Prince George's PS, which is separate from DCPS. Leaving that aside, there are schools that do comparatively well in MCPS, and those that do poorly. Where your child goes is dependent on where you live. Which is largely a function of household wealth.
As I said, inequality is a feature of our national school system, it's not a "bug". It won't be fixed because it serves to perpetuate the interests of the "haves" at the expense of the "have nots".
If you are talking about schools in Bethesda versus schools in Silver Spring, you are talking about the same school district, MCPS.
Within MoCo there are no "local school districts" (meaning, independent, with local control).
You're dodging the issue. Northwood High is at the far east end of the county. It's ranked significantly lower than the "good" schools. Can students at Northwood attend Churchill, for instance? Can they even apply for out-of-boundary status? The answer is "no". At least in DC, there's an out-of-boundary process where open positions can be won through the lottery. To qualify for out-of-boundary, you need to either be "grandfathered" or show some sort of overwhelming need.
It's great that everyone in MCPS shares the economic pie equally (though faililng and low-income schools actually require significantly higher levels of funding due to their student populations). But it's also clear that MCPS is highly segregated.
Anonymous
01/03/2012 11:50
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
I look forward to Churchill and B-CC throwing open their doors to all the students from Northwood. After all, MCPS is all about "sharing the wealth" and providing equal opportunity, right?
In theory, that is what county-based government is supposed to do, but in practice, as we all know, it doesn't happen.
I'd take the town-based school system any day. The local control tradeoff here is not worth it.
Exactly. There'a solution to these kind of income-based (and race-based) educational inequalities. Busing. And we all remember how court-ordered busing was received.
The key is, people want inequality that favors their children. But they also want the illusion that such inequality doesn't exist.
Anonymous
01/03/2012 11:38
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
I look forward to Churchill and B-CC throwing open their doors to all the students from Northwood. After all, MCPS is all about "sharing the wealth" and providing equal opportunity, right?
In theory, that is what county-based government is supposed to do, but in practice, as we all know, it doesn't happen.
I'd take the town-based school system any day. The local control tradeoff here is not worth it.
Anonymous
01/03/2012 11:37
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
This makes no sense. Obviously I was talking about the larger national picture. We do indeed have "local school districts". Montgomery County PS is separate from Prince George's PS, which is separate from DCPS. Leaving that aside, there are schools that do comparatively well in MCPS, and those that do poorly. Where your child goes is dependent on where you live. Which is largely a function of household wealth.
As I said, inequality is a feature of our national school system, it's not a "bug". It won't be fixed because it serves to perpetuate the interests of the "haves" at the expense of the "have nots".
If you are talking about schools in Bethesda versus schools in Silver Spring, you are talking about the same school district, MCPS.
Within MoCo there are no "local school districts" (meaning, independent, with local control).
Anonymous
01/03/2012 10:50
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
I look forward to Churchill and B-CC throwing open their doors to all the students from Northwood. After all, MCPS is all about "sharing the wealth" and providing equal opportunity, right?
Anonymous
01/03/2012 10:36
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
This makes no sense. Obviously I was talking about the larger national picture. We do indeed have "local school districts". Montgomery County PS is separate from Prince George's PS, which is separate from DCPS. Leaving that aside, there are schools that do comparatively well in MCPS, and those that do poorly. Where your child goes is dependent on where you live. Which is largely a function of household wealth.
As I said, inequality is a feature of our national school system, it's not a "bug". It won't be fixed because it serves to perpetuate the interests of the "haves" at the expense of the "have nots".
Anonymous
01/02/2012 23:11
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
None of your businessAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You are right. I should not be shocked.
Open your eyes. Other nations are surpassing America. This land is supposed to even have the best universities. Imagine that.
In a few decades this place will be like the 3rd world to the rest of the world
Why did you decide to move here?
And I will not stay
But interesting thread. I cannot believe this place actually has people with such backward thoughts and ideas
Anonymous
01/02/2012 20:03
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
The answer is no on two fronts. First, as evidenced so clearly on this thread, wealthy parents deem children from poor and working class families as inferior and so not suitable for playing with Jack and Jane.
Secondly, kids from poor families go to schools that are essentially ghettos for poverty and so individual schools end up shouldering the burden of very concentrated levels of poverty. This results in a poorer quality education for all of the students attending these schools because these schools have to expend a great deal of time and resources dealing with the challenges that come from dealing with high levels of poverty within the school population. The County knows this but opts to do nothing about it because integrating schools by socio economics angers wealthier families and the County cares a great deal more about wealthier tax payers.
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
Actually we do not have "local school districts" - we have ONE school district, Montgomery County. (I grew up in New England, where each town has its own local school district, with local control, one town superintendent of schools, and so on - bona fide local school district.) The whole point of a county-based system is to spread the wealth, and share the resources. There is no local control in the county-based system and the tradeoff is supposed to be a sharing of wealth, system-wide.
Anonymous
01/02/2012 17:43
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
I am still confused.
Are you saying there are class A and class B etc citizens?
What about 'the people' and founding fathers? Or the American ideal of equality that is not seen in the shores of other nations?
Wait. Are you shocked that America doesn't live up to its values on occasion? We should have you framed.
You are right. I should not be shocked.
Open your eyes. Other nations are surpassing America. This land is supposed to even have the best universities. Imagine that.
In a few decades this place will be like the 3rd world to the rest of the world
Why did you decide to move here?
Anonymous
01/02/2012 17:35
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
I am still confused.
Are you saying there are class A and class B etc citizens?
What about 'the people' and founding fathers? Or the American ideal of equality that is not seen in the shores of other nations?
Wait. Are you shocked that America doesn't live up to its values on occasion? We should have you framed.
You are right. I should not be shocked.
Open your eyes. Other nations are surpassing America. This land is supposed to even have the best universities. Imagine that.
In a few decades this place will be like the 3rd world to the rest of the world
Anonymous
01/02/2012 12:02
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
I am still confused.
Are you saying there are class A and class B etc citizens?
What about 'the people' and founding fathers? Or the American ideal of equality that is not seen in the shores of other nations?
Wait. Are you shocked that America doesn't live up to its values on occasion? We should have you framed.
Anonymous
01/02/2012 11:15
Subject: s/o Why are parents around here so worried about kids who receive free lunch?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Every child is not worth the same?
In this country if you are poor you matter less. And that goes for your kids too.
so, less well off children are: shunned by the parents in the class
and, the county is happy to dump them in poorly performing schools
i.e. bad schools and nobody cares
zip code + household income = high iq?
Sorry to disillusion you, but this is the entire reason we have local school districts, and school boundaries within those school districst
I am still confused.
Are you saying there are class A and class B etc citizens?
What about 'the people' and founding fathers? Or the American ideal of equality that is not seen in the shores of other nations?