Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talk from firsthand experience. I am a 7th grade AAP student at Carson. The Gen-ed kids are so mean, and they think they are the best. They say we are nerds, and pick on us. But yet, we are the people that will become tomorrow's great minds. Jerks.

I imagine these kids are tired of being treated like second class citizens by the administration and AAP students (and their parents). Your statement, above, is a perfect illustration of that. Just to let you know: once you get to high school, no one will know or care who was in AAP during elementary and/or middle school. And by that time, many of the previous Gen Ed kids will be far surpassing you.

I sincerely hope my child's middle school never becomes a center as it is fantastic just the way it is.

My goodness lady, what is wrong with you? You are way to insecure about this whole AAP thing if you feel compelled to have a nah-nah-nah-nah-nah confrontation with a JH kid.

Don't you remember what it is like to be in middle school? Were you ever a "nerd" or have a sibling who was a "nerd" or bookish or who loved math more than football?

Are you really justifying kids calling others names and picking on each other because some are in one program in school and others aren't? That a group of kids deserves to get picked on by other kids simply because of program decisions made by adults?

Middle and late elementary school are really difficult. Have some compassion for a kid. Treat them as you would want your own children to be treated.

Grow up. It is parents like you who give some of the schools in this area a bad name.

Seriously

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I talk from firsthand experience. I am a 7th grade AAP student at Carson. The Gen-ed kids are so mean, and they think they are the best. They say we are nerds, and pick on us. But yet, we are the people that will become tomorrow's great minds. Jerks.

I imagine these kids are tired of being treated like second class citizens by the administration and AAP students (and their parents). Your statement, above, is a perfect illustration of that. Just to let you know: once you get to high school, no one will know or care who was in AAP during elementary and/or middle school. And by that time, many of the previous Gen Ed kids will be far surpassing you.

I sincerely hope my child's middle school never becomes a center as it is fantastic just the way it is.

You're an "adult" telling a clearly frustrated 7th grade child that "the previous Gen Ed kids will be far surpassing you". Good example.

Anonymous wrote:I talk from firsthand experience. I am a 7th grade AAP student at Carson. The Gen-ed kids are so mean, and they think they are the best. They say we are nerds, and pick on us. But yet, we are the people that will become tomorrow's great minds. Jerks.

I imagine these kids are tired of being treated like second class citizens by the administration and AAP students (and their parents). Your statement, above, is a perfect illustration of that. Just to let you know: once you get to high school, no one will know or care who was in AAP during elementary and/or middle school. And by that time, many of the previous Gen Ed kids will be far surpassing you.

I sincerely hope my child's middle school never becomes a center as it is fantastic just the way it is.

I talk from firsthand experience. I am a 7th grade AAP student at Carson. The Gen-ed kids are so mean, and they think they are the best. They say we are nerds, and pick on us. But yet, we are the people that will become tomorrow's great minds. Jerks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen-ed kids don't get to take algebra in 7th. And they go to crappy middle schools.

Hey! Speak for yourself!

In our pyramid, the AAP center for middle school and the non-center middle school are both fabulous schools.

They both have very different cultures, one is huge and the other is smaller with more of a neighborhood feel.

Parents go back and forth over which middle school to send their AAP kids to, because both schools are wonderful options.

It is too bad that in your pyramid the only middle school worth attending is the center school.

PP, we are in the same fortunate situation. Our Gen Ed child goes to a wonderful (non-center) middle school and we couldn't be happier. DC takes all honors classes and has a great group of friends. Lots of his former elementary school peers, who were in AAP, also chose to go to this school rather than the center. We were so happy to be done with the whole AAP/Gen Ed business when elementary school ended. Who cares?!

Anonymous wrote:Gen-ed kids don't get to take algebra in 7th. And they go to crappy middle schools.

Hey! Speak for yourself!

In our pyramid, the AAP center for middle school and the non-center middle school are both fabulous schools.

They both have very different cultures, one is huge and the other is smaller with more of a neighborhood feel.

Parents go back and forth over which middle school to send their AAP kids to, because both schools are wonderful options.

It is too bad that in your pyramid the only middle school worth attending is the center school.

Anonymous wrote:While there may be no cuttoff, we have all seen that the majority of students who are accepted have a typically high score on the NNAT and CogAT.

The NNAT2 and FxAT/CogAT test scores are used for the establishment of the 2nd grade pool, but any student can be referred. Students in the 2nd grade pool as well as all referrals are handled the same way -- a screening file is created at the local school which is then considered by the local screening committee.

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Anonymous wrote:As some one else pointed out, advanced math options for GE kids is very common if not universal. Used to be called compacted math. If our kid doesn't take it, odds are he or she is not qualified.

No, our center school does not offer advanced math options for 3rd or 4th grade GE students. Only "in-class dfferentation" which may, or may not, involve math work at the next grade level.

Then discuss your observation with your school principal to ensure your school is following the FCPS Elementary Mathematics Instructional Sequence (EMIS):

http://www.fcps.edu/is/math/elementary/index.shtml

The Advanced Mathematics curriculum will be available in all elementary schools including Advanced Academic Center schools.

Anonymous wrote:14:16 please pay attention to 17:32/17:35's posts as they are correct.

There is no "cut-off" for AAP and there is no "my kid must score at a certain percentage" for AAP. The only "percentage" that a child needs for anything AAP related is a 91% on the IAAT and a pass advanced on the 7th grade Math SOL in order to qualify to take Algebra I Honors in 7th grade (or even 6th grade if the student has successfully the necessary groundwork in advanced math.

While there may be no cuttoff, we have all seen that the majority of students who are accepted have a typically high score on the NNAT and CogAT. The screening levels for inpool students are based on scores on the tests. We have seen numerous posts about whether a student will make it into AAP based upon test schores. The AAP acceptance rate was approximately 16% this year. This "should" reflect the top 15% of performers within the district. Whether the students who make it into the class are actually in the top 15% is another subject, which has also been hashed out on DCUM multiple times.

Also, while the IAAT and SOL are standards used for middle and high school math placement, they do not determine elementary school math placement. The poster may have been talking about elementary school math placement.

Anonymous wrote:14:16, the cutoff is for all of FCPS. It has nothing to do with SES. Not sure why you think it matters which part of the county you are in.

I don't think you understood what the poster was saying. The cutoff may be the same, but the levels of the students in the classes are vastly different. Schools with higher FARMs and ESOL have on adverage lower performing school (which is evident by the overall lower test scores for those schools). The higher SES schools have overall higher test scores as a result of a higher performing student base. The difference between those who are in AAP (approx. the top 15% of performers) and the rest of the class is much different in a school that has a much higher average student than another. To put it in context, the lowest reading group in my kids GE class as at grade level. In the school my friend's daughter attends (which has a high FARMS and ESOL population) it is below grade level.

Anonymous wrote:As some one else pointed out, advanced math options for GE kids is very common if not universal. Used to be called compacted math. If our kid doesn't take it, odds are he or she is not qualified.

No, our center school does not offer advanced math options for 3rd or 4th grade GE students. Only "in-class dfferentation" which may, or may not, involve math work at the next grade level.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen-ed kids don't get to take algebra in 7th. And they go to crappy middle schools.

Wrong on both counts. All kids who pass advanced on the math 7 SOL and get above a certain score on the Iowa test in 6th grade are eligible to take Algebra in 7th grade.

+1

And the qualifying score on the IAAT is 91% or higher (in conjunction with a pass advanced score on the math 7 SOL as the PP indicated)

Anonymous wrote:Gen-ed kids don't get to take algebra in 7th. And they go to crappy middle schools.

Wrong on both counts. All kids who pass advanced on the math 7 SOL and get above a certain score on the Iowa test in 6th grade are eligible to take Algebra in 7th grade.

Anonymous wrote:Gen-ed kids don't get to take algebra in 7th. And they go to crappy middle schools.

Gen Ed kids that take advanced math in elementary school can certainly take algebra in 7th grade, if they qualify.

Gen-ed kids don't get to take algebra in 7th. And they go to crappy middle schools.