Anonymous wrote:School ranking aren't meaningless: The US News #5 is better than #75.

But there is no real difference between 5 and 10, or between 70 and 80, or between 150 and 200.

Yes! This.

The one your kid can actually get into 😆

School ranking aren't meaningless: The US News #5 is better than #75.

But there is no real difference between 5 and 10, or between 70 and 80, or between 150 and 200.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the only prestige brands.

Beyond that nobody really cares. T10, T20, T30...it just doesnt matter. Go wherever is the best fit, financially, socially, academically, or in terms of overall happiness. For most people, the "prestige" of their college is not going to make a bit of difference.

HYP prestige has gone down after DEI, Varsity Blues, MAGA overreach, and funding cuts.

Yes. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton have lost a bit of cachet in recent years. It's really just MIT and Stanford at the top. Beyond that, most of the rest of the top 20 are all very prestigious and interchangeable. Whether it's the best school for someone is really dependent on major, fit, location, culture and so on. Most engineering students today, for instance, would much rather go to Cornell, Michigan, Rice, CMU, Berkeley, CalTech, and Northwestern over Harvard or Yale.

Caltech for engineering? Nah.
Also you missed Georgia tech, UIUC, and Harvey Mudd. These three are above Rice, Michigan and NU.
UCLA appears to be more popular than Berkely for engineering students.

Harvey Mudd has the least 'popularity' of all of these. It's largely unknown outside the West Coast. And what does 'above' the others mean? The average BS engineering from GaTech is not going to be materially different from Rice, Michigan, etc. GaTech takes ~70% of students form GA, so its not even pulling a representative national pool of students if one was to somehow argue that GaTech only takes the strongest of students (this is not a knock on GaTech, just that its not different from similar state institutions). Engineers are a self-selected lot by the time they graduate regardless where they do there problem sets. Is the quality of Mech Engineering at Purdue that much different that GaTech as an undergrad? Probably not. Regardless the US News forced rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the only prestige brands.

Beyond that nobody really cares. T10, T20, T30...it just doesnt matter. Go wherever is the best fit, financially, socially, academically, or in terms of overall happiness. For most people, the "prestige" of their college is not going to make a bit of difference.

HYP prestige has gone down after DEI, Varsity Blues, MAGA overreach, and funding cuts.

Yes. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton have lost a bit of cachet in recent years. It's really just MIT and Stanford at the top. Beyond that, most of the rest of the top 20 are all very prestigious and interchangeable. Whether it's the best school for someone is really dependent on major, fit, location, culture and so on. Most engineering students today, for instance, would much rather go to Cornell, Michigan, Rice, CMU, Berkeley, CalTech, and Northwestern over Harvard or Yale.

Caltech for engineering? Nah.
Also you missed Georgia tech, UIUC, and Harvey Mudd. These three are above Rice, Michigan and NU.
UCLA appears to be more popular than Berkely for engineering students.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the only prestige brands.

Beyond that nobody really cares. T10, T20, T30...it just doesnt matter. Go wherever is the best fit, financially, socially, academically, or in terms of overall happiness. For most people, the "prestige" of their college is not going to make a bit of difference.

HYP prestige has gone down after DEI, Varsity Blues, MAGA overreach, and funding cuts.

Yes. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton have lost a bit of cachet in recent years. It's really just MIT and Stanford at the top. Beyond that, most of the rest of the top 20 are all very prestigious and interchangeable. Whether it's the best school for someone is really dependent on major, fit, location, culture and so on. Most engineering students today, for instance, would much rather go to Cornell, Michigan, Rice, CMU, Berkeley, CalTech, and Northwestern over Harvard or Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:Median IQ of MIT undergrads = Median IQ of H/Y/P undergrad +30….

Median EQ of MIT undergrads = Median EQ of HYP undergrad - 30

And unless I am a quant shop (let's all name drop Jane Street and obsess over it even though no one here even knows what it is) or a super-specialized engineering role, I value EQ over IQ (given that the IQ of the HYP people is not still much higher than the vast majority of the population). YMMV. You live it up in your little corner of the world. I'll enjoy mine.

Nah, just because you got in based on non merit basis doesn’t make you high EQ. It actually shows that you’re low IQ.

Anonymous wrote:Median IQ of MIT undergrads = Median IQ of H/Y/P undergrad +30….

Median EQ of MIT undergrads = Median EQ of HYP undergrad - 30

And unless I am a quant shop (let's all name drop Jane Street and obsess over it even though no one here even knows what it is) or a super-specialized engineering role, I value EQ over IQ (given that the IQ of the HYP people is not still much higher than the vast majority of the population). YMMV. You live it up in your little corner of the world. I'll enjoy mine.

Anonymous wrote:UPenn Engineering is meh.. If you are into engineering you have far better options amongst non Ivies

so true.

Anonymous wrote:Median IQ of MIT undergrads = Median IQ of H/Y/P undergrad +30….

The very top IQ level students are not in favor at most of these holistic admit colleges especially at HYP. People don't want to believe it but you will find the high IQ all through the top 50. Why do I say this? The high IQ don't necessarily care about community service BS or athletics so they won't be seen as attractive to the Ivies or even Stanford and MIT.

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the only prestige brands.

Beyond that nobody really cares. T10, T20, T30...it just doesnt matter. Go wherever is the best fit, financially, socially, academically, or in terms of overall happiness. For most people, the "prestige" of their college is not going to make a bit of difference.

HYP prestige has gone down after DEI, Varsity Blues, MAGA overreach, and funding cuts.

Anonymous wrote:Median IQ of MIT undergrads = Median IQ of H/Y/P undergrad +30….

10.

Median IQ of MIT undergrads = Median IQ of H/Y/P undergrad +30….

Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the only prestige brands.

Beyond that nobody really cares. T10, T20, T30...it just doesnt matter. Go wherever is the best fit, financially, socially, academically, or in terms of overall happiness. For most people, the "prestige" of their college is not going to make a bit of difference.

UPenn Engineering is meh.. If you are into engineering you have far better options amongst non Ivies