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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

True at all 8 of them?

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

True at all 8 of them?

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

Classes are enormous with so many students like a warehouse.

FIghting the crowds and long lines to enroll in classes with are often full.

Classes are just budget items so not getting much from the professors but mainly just the TAs.

Afterwards you tell yourself it was all worth it because you got a deal (low in-state tuition).

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

Unlike the UC schools, other publics have affordable student housing, non-overcrowded classes, and easy class registration that won’t extend college beyond the normal timeline or severely limit your class options. Also overly relying on TAs instead of professors is a huge issue.

Michigan is worth out of state tuition, among many others. The student experience and education provided are much better.

The UC schools are only worth in-state tuition. It is like getting your college degree from Costco.

The admission rate comparison isn't a good way to judge because not all applications processes are the same. I love the UCs and my kid may end up there for grad school. Their acceptance rates are pushed down b/c of the application process, basically being one and done for a number of schools. It's not that unlike schools that don't require an essay. Schools that have dropped essays have seen an increase in number of apps and a related drop in acceptance rates. Who is going to write a WI or MI essay just to toss their hat in the ring? Schools with longer essays or numerous questions (hi, Stanford) are going to have a more self-selecting group of applicants b/c they are willing to not only pay the fee, but put in the extra work on the application.

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Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding the views of the “no one thinks” / “everyone knows” genius, California will continue to dunk all over whatever state or nation the UC haters hail from.

It’s regrettable that the dreams of their children were crushed when UCLA and/or Berkeley rejected them, but the fact remains that the UC system reigns supreme.

Maybe next year, though. 😂

If you live out of state, why would you apply to UC schools? They are not worth out of state tuition. Much better options exist.

“Better” is quite subjective (I’m not going to waste my time dispatching your “much better” talk into the dumpster), but sure - I’ll play along.

Lifestyle / Quality of Life?

Desire to find professional prospects in the largest state economy in the country, larger than all but three COUNTRIES?

You think HS students around the country are dreaming of settling in Virginia? North Carolina? Texas?

Michigan is a brand pull, and the third best public, so no objection there.

But do you seriously think the kid growing up in Ohio is dreaming of someday finding a way to live in Richmond? Charlotte? Dallas? Get serious. Your jealousy of California is blinding you. But that changes nothing.

One can actually afford housing in Richmond, Charlotte, and Dallas. And there are plenty of job opportunities in all three states.

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Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups

UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC

The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.

Source?

They tend to support Gavin Newsom.

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Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups

UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC

The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.

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Anonymous wrote:To be fair, most publics are still test optional so even those that report scores, it's not across all applicants.

UF, UT, UGA, and Purdue require test scores for all applicants, so comparing them to other publics, such as UNC, UVA and Michigan, will likely show them as "weaker".

UT's CDS doesn't release the numbers, though, so who can really say on that one

Anonymous wrote:"Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions"

I love waking up to comedy in the morning.

That's exactly what is being disputed here

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

Nobody is jealous of California. It is fine. Their UC schools are nice for in-state residents mainly due to the cost but they have problems making them unattractive for out of state residents who would have to pay more than they are worth.

Isn't paying OOS for any public paying for more than the oos public is worth. People want to go to Michigan oos. Why? When they can easily go to their WI flagship and still be many hours away from parents if distance from home is a factor.

To be fair, most publics are still test optional so even those that report scores, it's not across all applicants.

UF, UT, UGA, and Purdue require test scores for all applicants, so comparing them to other publics, such as UNC, UVA and Michigan, will likely show them as "weaker".

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

I am a Californian. And, again, my kid is graduating from Berkeley (after getting in as a senior in high school, though I think the CC-transfer system is great). There's no "resentment" or "jealousy" here. You just don't have a compelling argument.

DP

This isn’t an argument. It actually seems like one side promoting the consensus best publics and the other side downplaying them without any semblance of defense for the alternatives they apparently think are better.

Where’s the case for Virginia over Cal?
Where’s the case for Texas over UCLA?
Where’s the case for UNC over Michigan?

At one point, someone even argued that ANY of the Top 50 LACs would be a better choice for an OOS applicant than Cal or UCLA (or any other UC)!

Macalester or Occidental or Grinnell or Lafayette, all costing $10 - $15K more per year, would be better choices?

This sure seems like individual(s) irrationally attacking the UC system without presenting any objective arguments - just their feelings.

The UCs are test blind. Most of the arguments flow from there.

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Anonymous wrote:Further trashing of the UC haters:

Acceptance rate for in-state applicants:

UCLA: 10.0%
Berkeley: 13.5%
UCSD: 26.5%

UVA: 25.5%
Michigan - Ann Arbor: 39.5%
UT - Austin: 41.0%
UNC - Chapel Hill: 41.5%

Compare those stone cold facts with the respective OOS acceptance rates.

We’re supposed to believe that the institutions accepting a higher percentage of their population are better than the more selective ones that are accepting a lower percentage of their population? Yeah, OK.

My kid is graduating from Berkeley in a week, so what I’m about to say isn’t coming from a “hater”, but this is one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM.

The opinions of CC transfers don’t count, so settle down. And it’s an analysis.

Do you know how singular/plural nouns work?

The thesis is “the UC system is the best public education system in America”.

Where’s the additional assessment, genius?

So needlessly aggressive.

When I say “one of the dumbest analyses I’ve seen on DCUM”, I mean “I’ve seen many analyses on DCUM”. Among those, I’ve seen both intelligent, thoughtful takes, and … takes that are … not. Of the many analyses I’ve seen on DCUM, “the UC low admit rates mean they’re the best schools in the country booya mic drop” is one of the dumbest.

I, too, have apparently been unclear.

Anyone arguing that UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan are anything but the clear-cut, undisputed Top 3 public institutions in this country is an abject moron; a rounding error, bereft of the minimum level of general cognitive abilities necessary to continue the discussion.

Resentment and jealousy of the State of California has become an obsessive pastime for large swaths of America, but that doesn’t excuse your lame responses.

There. Have a great day, though!

UCLA and Cal are admitting weaker students these days.