Anonymous wrote:I think there's a big difference between genuinely having 5-10 pounds to lose and the PP who had a BMI of 27, which is overweight. If your BMI is that high you have 30-40 pounds to lose and maybe it's worth it, but it's not worth it to go from a BMI of 21 to 19 for vanity reasons.

Anonymous wrote:It’s too costly.

My BMI is not 30 obese but it’s also not great. I’m back at a pregnancy weight!

I already don’t overeat. So may try.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoy working on myself and facing the consequences of my poor choices. This extra 10 pounds I'm carrying isn't because I'm 54 yo -that is a cop out. I gained 10+ pounds because I consistently overate for 2 years and became accustomed to eating amounts of foods meant for a larger person.

Fine, keep a food log and eat less

Sounds like YOU are able to isolate a variable that you can control.

But what if you already dropped the calories and carbs and keep slowly gaining weight? Whilst doing Pilates 3x a week.

Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are so dumb. So much hand wringing about how other women choose to lose weight. Why do you even care? It's like the same as those women who crow about how other women shouldn't have abortions. Like why do they even care? You're against abortion? Then don't have one. You're against GLP1s? Then don't take them. Who gives a flying F if someone else does? At least the abortion crazies have the whole "you're killing a baby" argument. What do the GLP1 crazies have?

You're calling the people who are recommending caution "the GLP crazies"? I think you have it backwards. There is constant proselytizing, really, like they are new converts to a religion.

It has gotten to the point where people are almost being shamed for avoiding unnecessary medical intervention. The converts cannot possibly imagine the idea that medical interventions such as GLP1 medications actually have trade offs and potential downsides. Why control your weight on your own, actually build muscle mass, eat real food, and increase your cardio vascular health when you can just short cut the whole system to “look good”?

It's more complicated than that, and you're not helping by portraying GLP users as lazy, gluttonous cheaters. I used to believe that anyone could control their weight on their own with diet and exercise. It always worked perfectly for me, until I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance. A lot of people are in a similar boat. GLPs have their place when used responsibly and under the supervision of a real doctor.

I won't disagree with any of that. I will disagree with the original premise of this thread to use these medications for vanity weight.

The population that falls into this category for obesity is very small: I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance.
The population that are using these medications to mask our food system and lifestyle culture and their own unwillingness to spend the time and effort to navigate around it is huge.

PP here. To be fair, food/overeating addiction is also a problem for a lot of people. Obesity is a huge health issue, and if the GLPs are the most effective way for people to reach and maintain a healthy weight, then so be it.

It's tough to have a productive conversation about GLPs, since a large chunk of the population seems to feel that users are cheating and don't deserve to be at a normal, healthy weight.

That's fair. But its also instructive to recognize that the constant victim mentality is also a core problem. Any discussion of suboptimality and pointing out actual FACTS - must be an allegation of cheating. Can't control your weight - I am a victim of the food system. It never ends.

The truth is human biology works in a very predictable way. So does life. Things worth doing are hard. You want the body to adapt, you have to force the adaptation. That's how it works. Want to run a marathon - gotta run a lot. Want the human body to control its own blood sugar - get rid of the adipose tissue, build muscle mass, and intake energy in line with your energy demands. The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.

You do understand that not everyone's body actually works like this, right? That's why some people need this medication. But do go on and continue to feel superior.

The exception has now swallowed the rule. Below remains true. Are you reading? Or are you also part of the narrow exception that everybody on this forum falls into.

“The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.”

Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are so dumb. So much hand wringing about how other women choose to lose weight. Why do you even care? It's like the same as those women who crow about how other women shouldn't have abortions. Like why do they even care? You're against abortion? Then don't have one. You're against GLP1s? Then don't take them. Who gives a flying F if someone else does? At least the abortion crazies have the whole "you're killing a baby" argument. What do the GLP1 crazies have?

You're calling the people who are recommending caution "the GLP crazies"? I think you have it backwards. There is constant proselytizing, really, like they are new converts to a religion.

It has gotten to the point where people are almost being shamed for avoiding unnecessary medical intervention. The converts cannot possibly imagine the idea that medical interventions such as GLP1 medications actually have trade offs and potential downsides. Why control your weight on your own, actually build muscle mass, eat real food, and increase your cardio vascular health when you can just short cut the whole system to “look good”?

It's more complicated than that, and you're not helping by portraying GLP users as lazy, gluttonous cheaters. I used to believe that anyone could control their weight on their own with diet and exercise. It always worked perfectly for me, until I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance. A lot of people are in a similar boat. GLPs have their place when used responsibly and under the supervision of a real doctor.

I won't disagree with any of that. I will disagree with the original premise of this thread to use these medications for vanity weight.

The population that falls into this category for obesity is very small: I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance.
The population that are using these medications to mask our food system and lifestyle culture and their own unwillingness to spend the time and effort to navigate around it is huge.

PP here. To be fair, food/overeating addiction is also a problem for a lot of people. Obesity is a huge health issue, and if the GLPs are the most effective way for people to reach and maintain a healthy weight, then so be it.

It's tough to have a productive conversation about GLPs, since a large chunk of the population seems to feel that users are cheating and don't deserve to be at a normal, healthy weight.

That's fair. But its also instructive to recognize that the constant victim mentality is also a core problem. Any discussion of suboptimality and pointing out actual FACTS - must be an allegation of cheating. Can't control your weight - I am a victim of the food system. It never ends.

The truth is human biology works in a very predictable way. So does life. Things worth doing are hard. You want the body to adapt, you have to force the adaptation. That's how it works. Want to run a marathon - gotta run a lot. Want the human body to control its own blood sugar - get rid of the adipose tissue, build muscle mass, and intake energy in line with your energy demands. The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.

You do understand that not everyone's body actually works like this, right? That's why some people need this medication. But do go on and continue to feel superior.

Anonymous wrote:The side effects. I have had to to have colorectal surgery and I really don't want to deal with the side effects from constant diarrhea or constipation.

Plus the cost. It's not cheap if you have other medical expenses.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoy working on myself and facing the consequences of my poor choices. This extra 10 pounds I'm carrying isn't because I'm 54 yo -that is a cop out. I gained 10+ pounds because I consistently overate for 2 years and became accustomed to eating amounts of foods meant for a larger person.

Fine, keep a food log and eat less

Sounds like YOU are able to isolate a variable that you can control.

But what if you already dropped the calories and carbs and keep slowly gaining weight? Whilst doing Pilates 3x a week.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoy working on myself and facing the consequences of my poor choices. This extra 10 pounds I'm carrying isn't because I'm 54 yo -that is a cop out. I gained 10+ pounds because I consistently overate for 2 years and became accustomed to eating amounts of foods meant for a larger person.

Fine, keep a food log and eat less

Sounds like YOU are able to isolate a variable that you can control.

But what if you already dropped the calories and carbs and keep slowly gaining weight? Whilst doing Pilates 3x a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Should be $10 per month for tablets

Food and snack industry must be scared.

With my insurance, the Wegovy tablets are over $200 a month.