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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has done a lot of recruiting for a desirable investment boutique, I find this ranking obsession to be silly. “Yes”, I like recruiting from good schools but there are plenty of them. I wouldn’t give an edge to a Cornell grad over a Colgate grad (or name +40 other schools) based on the schools. Rather, I’m going to hire the candidate who is the best fit based on so many factors. I like smart, well rounded kids (better than nerds at evaluating management teams and such) who I think will be successful. They come from lots of schools.

You literally said there are basically 40 schools out of 4000. That's not plenty, just that it's more than Ivy+.

I basically agree with the above but when I was referring to +40 I meant in addition to ivy+ and new ivies. We like to see good schools, including state flagships—so maybe 70 to 75 schools fit the bill. As to recruiting, it’s mostly online although we’ve recruited at local schools and, occasionally, schools attended by one of our key principals (all in the 70 to 75 mentioned above).

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Most of the top nursing undergrads will get a higher degree after college like NP or pivot into something else healthcare related. They are not ordinary nursing school graduates.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

I actually think Emory is a great school...but other than UPenn (which admittedly has a highly ranked but very small nursing school) and Duke (also very highly rated), what Ivy+ would care about a #1 nursing program?

Anonymous wrote:Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

This! Thats really what the hate is about. They seen on ivy privates making strides, like Emory having the number 1 nursing program for 5+ years now. And it makes them nervous. Accolades like that were only reserved for ivy+. Which begs the question which new ivys will be ivy + in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

Wow Times are a changing.

I have heard this anecdotally from hiring directors in my network too. Something about an entitled attitude that they're turning off on.

For those of us with kids at both a New Ivy and a real Ivy, we know it isn’t true.

Just that the types of opportunities are different. At the Ivy you don’t see the F500 (other than tech and finance) companies much and almost no kid will show interest. You will see far more boutique firms recruiting, usually because an alum started it and they recruit heavily from their undergrad. You also have the start-up groups making many trips to the Ivy campus encouraging kids to start companies.

The New Ivy has some of the above but much smaller, but more traditional corporate employers and more regional employers. Definitely has more companies representing the group that responded to this Forbes survey.

Schools are great fits for each of the kids attending, so no complaints.

How do you know it isn't true? I was sharing my actual experience of talking to real people who are hiring partners in their relative fields. How can you as a parent of a random ivy league college kid know that what my friends have told me about their actual thoughts about hiring ivy kids are wrong? You weren't in the room when I had these real conversations. This is what they said behind closed doors to me without you in the room. I did characterize it as my information as anecdotal (based on personal accounts told to me, an involved survey or research study), but that doesn't make it true.

I went to an ivy myself, as did at least one of the hiring partners who I referenced having actual conversations about this with.

You were responding to a post that characterized hiring for all Ivy graduates across all industries.

Nobody is saying your anecdote isn't true for your one specific instance, but those of us with kids at both types of schools know that neither is starved for opportunity. They are just different types of opportunity with call it 65% overlap.

Anonymous wrote:My kid goes To one of these schools and I'm embarrassed by this.
The students are great, the school is great, I don't need people to force this odd categorization. It feels like it's trying too hard.

The schools aren't doing this. Forbes is doing this, and created this nomenclature 3 years ago. These lists are being celebrated in state press as a win for their states's best schools, and also I saw it mentioned proudly by UF, UVA, Purdue and Vandy in their own school press. Other schools haven't mentioned it yet but all schools should be proud that they are being embraced by employers and better aligned curriculum and career readiness for AI realities.

I do agree "new Ivy" is silly term since the term refers to their sports league, not any mark of quality. And I'm old enough to remember the schools in the ivy league that were considered easier to get into in 80s/90s and not as impressive (Cornell, Dartmouth, Penn, Brown). These schools have since come up, as have all the schools on this list.

Lots of defensiveness from Ivy parents. Don't be. Your kid still has enough privilege and opportunity coming their way. It's ok if there are also numerous hiring execs out there now who prefer other top school graduates because as a whole they are just as smart and capable but appear to be less entitled about opportunities. There's more than enough jobs for strong performing grads from the top 50 or 60-ish schools who have initiative and hustle.

As a hiring manager myself, I wouldn't care if the grad was impressive and went to Emory, Northwestern or Tufts versus Dartmouth, UChicago or Yale. But that's just me.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

Air Force Academy & Case Western are NEW to the list. Which schools came off?

Where is UMD on the list?

UMD is obviously not on this list. And I am not surprised. Are you?

Why do you say that?

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Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

Air Force Academy & Case Western are NEW to the list. Which schools came off?

Where is UMD on the list?

UMD is obviously not on this list. And I am not surprised. Are you?

Yes, I am surprised as UMD with all the research resources and higher STEM rankings, I would think that it is at least as good if not better than UVA.

My kid goes To one of these schools and I'm embarrassed by this.
The students are great, the school is great, I don't need people to force this odd categorization. It feels like it's trying too hard.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

Wow Times are a changing.

I have heard this anecdotally from hiring directors in my network too. Something about an entitled attitude that they're turning off on.

For those of us with kids at both a New Ivy and a real Ivy, we know it isn’t true.

Just that the types of opportunities are different. At the Ivy you don’t see the F500 (other than tech and finance) companies much and almost no kid will show interest. You will see far more boutique firms recruiting, usually because an alum started it and they recruit heavily from their undergrad. You also have the start-up groups making many trips to the Ivy campus encouraging kids to start companies.

The New Ivy has some of the above but much smaller, but more traditional corporate employers and more regional employers. Definitely has more companies representing the group that responded to this Forbes survey.

Schools are great fits for each of the kids attending, so no complaints.

How do you know it isn't true? I was sharing my actual experience of talking to real people who are hiring partners in their relative fields. How can you as a parent of a random ivy league college kid know that what my friends have told me about their actual thoughts about hiring ivy kids are wrong? You weren't in the room when I had these real conversations. This is what they said behind closed doors to me without you in the room. I did characterize it as my information as anecdotal (based on personal accounts told to me, an involved survey or research study), but that doesn't make it true.

I went to an ivy myself, as did at least one of the hiring partners who I referenced having actual conversations about this with.

* Typo: I did characterize it as my information as anecdotal (based on personal accounts told to me, an involved survey or research study), but that doesn't make it not true.

Excuse the typo. I pressed submit too quickly. I meant to add the word not before true. (I probably need reading glasses it seems. Middle age is not a picnic.)

don't worry about a typo! my nearsight is getting blurry too. agree on middle age lol.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the update 2026 list:

Private "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

Carnegie Mellon
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Rice
Tufts
Vanderbilt
WashU St. Louis

Public "Top Ten" new ivies (alphabetical order, not ranked):

US Air Force Academy
U Florida
Georgia Tech
Michigan
UNC Chapel Hill
Purdue
UT Austin
UVA
William & Mary
U Wisconsin Madison

Air Force Academy & Case Western are NEW to the list. Which schools came off?

Where is UMD on the list?

UMD is obviously not on this list. And I am not surprised. Are you?

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Anonymous wrote:From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

Wow Times are a changing.

I have heard this anecdotally from hiring directors in my network too. Something about an entitled attitude that they're turning off on.

For those of us with kids at both a New Ivy and a real Ivy, we know it isn’t true.

Just that the types of opportunities are different. At the Ivy you don’t see the F500 (other than tech and finance) companies much and almost no kid will show interest. You will see far more boutique firms recruiting, usually because an alum started it and they recruit heavily from their undergrad. You also have the start-up groups making many trips to the Ivy campus encouraging kids to start companies.

The New Ivy has some of the above but much smaller, but more traditional corporate employers and more regional employers. Definitely has more companies representing the group that responded to this Forbes survey.

Schools are great fits for each of the kids attending, so no complaints.

How do you know it isn't true? I was sharing my actual experience of talking to real people who are hiring partners in their relative fields. How can you as a parent of a random ivy league college kid know that what my friends have told me about their actual thoughts about hiring ivy kids are wrong? You weren't in the room when I had these real conversations. This is what they said behind closed doors to me without you in the room. I did characterize it as my information as anecdotal (based on personal accounts told to me, an involved survey or research study), but that doesn't make it true.

I went to an ivy myself, as did at least one of the hiring partners who I referenced having actual conversations about this with.

* Typo: I did characterize it as my information as anecdotal (based on personal accounts told to me, an involved survey or research study), but that doesn't make it not true.

Excuse the typo. I pressed submit too quickly. I meant to add the word not before true. (I probably need reading glasses it seems. Middle age is not a picnic.)

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Anonymous wrote:From the Forbes article when having interviewed hiring executives in light of AI and ever changing technology

“That Ivy League-wariness persists, with 37% of respondents this year saying they are less likely to hire Ivy League grads than they were five years ago, and only 6% saying they’re more likely to do so. Those numbers are reversed for public universities, with 42% saying they’re more likely to hire these grads and just 6% less likely to do so.”

Wow Times are a changing.

I have heard this anecdotally from hiring directors in my network too. Something about an entitled attitude that they're turning off on.

For those of us with kids at both a New Ivy and a real Ivy, we know it isn’t true.

Just that the types of opportunities are different. At the Ivy you don’t see the F500 (other than tech and finance) companies much and almost no kid will show interest. You will see far more boutique firms recruiting, usually because an alum started it and they recruit heavily from their undergrad. You also have the start-up groups making many trips to the Ivy campus encouraging kids to start companies.

The New Ivy has some of the above but much smaller, but more traditional corporate employers and more regional employers. Definitely has more companies representing the group that responded to this Forbes survey.

Schools are great fits for each of the kids attending, so no complaints.

How do you know it isn't true? I was sharing my actual experience of talking to real people who are hiring partners in their relative fields. How can you as a parent of a random ivy league college kid know that what my friends have told me about their actual thoughts about hiring ivy kids are wrong? You weren't in the room when I had these real conversations. This is what they said behind closed doors to me without you in the room. I did characterize it as my information as anecdotal (based on personal accounts told to me, an involved survey or research study), but that doesn't make it true.

I went to an ivy myself, as did at least one of the hiring partners who I referenced having actual conversations about this with.

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that the article is 90% about how these schools are incorporating AI into really everything throughout the curriculum.

Wasn't expecting that to be the thrust of it.

It mirrors what’s happening in the workforce so makes sense.