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Anonymous wrote:He’s said it at least three times in the past, one other time being on the Graham Norton show. I can’t remember the third, but saw a compilation.

The issue is his H U G E ego. He’s not that great of an actor, but he thinks he is. He thinks he’s above a centuries old art form. That’s the issue.

Oh please, these centuries old art forms have been sneering at people for ages. What have they done to stay relevant and accessible lately?

The idea that you think ballet and opera have been "sneering" at you shows how ignorant you are. Sure, there are ballet and opera fans and patrons who have always been snobs. You'll find people like that supporting films and music too. But the art forms themselves do not "sneer." On the contrary, the actual artists in these disciplines have been innovating for centuries, and much of the entertainment you now consume owes its origins to those innovations.

I see you have never met the regular attendees or people who sit on the boards and guilds. Generally loathsome people.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s said it at least three times in the past, one other time being on the Graham Norton show. I can’t remember the third, but saw a compilation.

The issue is his H U G E ego. He’s not that great of an actor, but he thinks he is. He thinks he’s above a centuries old art form. That’s the issue.

Oh please, these centuries old art forms have been sneering at people for ages. What have they done to stay relevant and accessible lately?

The idea that you think ballet and opera have been "sneering" at you shows how ignorant you are. Sure, there are ballet and opera fans and patrons who have always been snobs. You'll find people like that supporting films and music too. But the art forms themselves do not "sneer." On the contrary, the actual artists in these disciplines have been innovating for centuries, and much of the entertainment you now consume owes its origins to those innovations.

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

Again, you seem to be under the impression that people in ballet don't understand they are dealing with diminishing audiences and cultural relevancy. THEY KNOW. It is one of the most frequent topics of conversation for the boards of these companies and for the companies themselves. Everyone feels it. Everyone knows.

There are no people in ballet or opera who think the latest production of Gisele or La Traviata is pretty much the same as the new Dune movie. They aren't stupid.

It's punching down because these communities are already well aware that they are fighting for the survival of these art forms, and Chalamet is in a position to help or lift them up, or even just be neutral, and instead he's making some offhand comment about how irrelevant and dying they are in the middle of a "town hall" with Matthew McConoughey, which he was invited to not because he's so smart and has such trenchant things to say about the state of the world or the state of art, but because he is a recognizable name.

It is 100% punching down. He didn't say anything that people in ballet/opera don't already know, but he said it in a way that was rude and condescending for absolutely no reason other than to make the point that his chosen art form is in a *slightly* healthier economic state (if he doesn't think film has its own issues, HE is the stupid one).

So if they know, what are they doing anything about it? Chalamet is annoying, but you know what? He brought a lot of people into the theater to see a stupid irrelevant ping pong movie. In terms of box office, it was one of the few outright successful movies of the year. The film industry needs more people like him to survive, and so do ballet and opera.

The fact that you don't even know what ballets, operas, and symphonies do to attract audiences mean you, like Chalamet, have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation.

Also, if the art you are making is "stupid" and "irrelevant" who cares if a bunch of people pay to watch it?

Whatever ballet and opera are currently doing to attract audiences isn’t working, which is the entire point of the conversation.

The are art forms that are inherently disadvantaged in modern day culture. They are most impactful in person, not on screen and definitely not on smart phone screens. They are largely long form in a world with a tiny attention span. They are dependent on the expertise of artists (not just dancers and singers but also musicians, choreographers, costume and set designers) who have honed their craft over decades, in a world where everyone and their brother want to be able to claim expertise on TikTok after watching a few videos.

There are modern ballets and modern operas, but the struggle to find audiences with young, general audiences because these art forms are inherently ill suited to modern sensibilities. They have social media accounts and there are ballet and opera influencers. They bring performances on smaller scales into communities that may not have seen these art forms before. They travel. They put ballet and opera on streamers and show them in movie theaters. They collaborate with pop stars and movie directors to try and find ways to make these art forms relevant to new audiences. But they are fighting a tidal wave. These art forms, to actually survive, require people to buy tickets, get dressed, go to the theater, and sit in the dark to watch a story told without words, or in another language, or that might be challenging or strange. When ballets and operas have tried to change the art form to modernize it, they wind up with a fleeting new audience who doesn't stay committed, and these experiments often turn off devoted fans who presently form their entire financial support. These art forms are dying because they are ill suited for the modern world and modern sensibilities.

The ridiculous thing about Chalamet's statement is that he said it smugly as though his own art form isn't next on the chopping block. He said it with the ignorant confidence of a young person who presumes that film will handily weather the shift to streaming, the closure of thousands of movie houses, the consolidation of production companies, and the incursion of AI, and that he will be left standing at the end with a job and a fan base. Good effing luck, Timmy, especially if your attitude towards the art forms that have met those fates before yours is "too bad so sad."

He is a moron, and so are you for not understanding all this.

Anonymous wrote:He’s said it at least three times in the past, one other time being on the Graham Norton show. I can’t remember the third, but saw a compilation.

The issue is his H U G E ego. He’s not that great of an actor, but he thinks he is. He thinks he’s above a centuries old art form. That’s the issue.

Oh please, these centuries old art forms have been sneering at people for ages. What have they done to stay relevant and accessible lately?

He’s said it at least three times in the past, one other time being on the Graham Norton show. I can’t remember the third, but saw a compilation.

The issue is his H U G E ego. He’s not that great of an actor, but he thinks he is. He thinks he’s above a centuries old art form. That’s the issue.

Can we move on? Enough on analyzing Chalamet’ intent. This happened with that Bob Dylan movie—a few people that spent pages upon pages trying to convince us all that we were stupid and lazy if we did not agree.

He did not win the award. He knows this process involves certain norms. He criticized those close to the community. Overall, his brand is suffering.

Let’s move on.

Ballet and opera remind me of figure skating, in that people most people don’t watch figure skating outside the Olympics. But at least figure skating has this platform every 4 years to remind people that it exists, and can be exciting, so young people are drawn to it that way.

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

Again, you seem to be under the impression that people in ballet don't understand they are dealing with diminishing audiences and cultural relevancy. THEY KNOW. It is one of the most frequent topics of conversation for the boards of these companies and for the companies themselves. Everyone feels it. Everyone knows.

There are no people in ballet or opera who think the latest production of Gisele or La Traviata is pretty much the same as the new Dune movie. They aren't stupid.

It's punching down because these communities are already well aware that they are fighting for the survival of these art forms, and Chalamet is in a position to help or lift them up, or even just be neutral, and instead he's making some offhand comment about how irrelevant and dying they are in the middle of a "town hall" with Matthew McConoughey, which he was invited to not because he's so smart and has such trenchant things to say about the state of the world or the state of art, but because he is a recognizable name.

It is 100% punching down. He didn't say anything that people in ballet/opera don't already know, but he said it in a way that was rude and condescending for absolutely no reason other than to make the point that his chosen art form is in a *slightly* healthier economic state (if he doesn't think film has its own issues, HE is the stupid one).

So if they know, what are they doing anything about it? Chalamet is annoying, but you know what? He brought a lot of people into the theater to see a stupid irrelevant ping pong movie. In terms of box office, it was one of the few outright successful movies of the year. The film industry needs more people like him to survive, and so do ballet and opera.

The fact that you don't even know what ballets, operas, and symphonies do to attract audiences mean you, like Chalamet, have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation.

Also, if the art you are making is "stupid" and "irrelevant" who cares if a bunch of people pay to watch it?

Whatever ballet and opera are currently doing to attract audiences isn’t working, which is the entire point of the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

Again, you seem to be under the impression that people in ballet don't understand they are dealing with diminishing audiences and cultural relevancy. THEY KNOW. It is one of the most frequent topics of conversation for the boards of these companies and for the companies themselves. Everyone feels it. Everyone knows.

There are no people in ballet or opera who think the latest production of Gisele or La Traviata is pretty much the same as the new Dune movie. They aren't stupid.

It's punching down because these communities are already well aware that they are fighting for the survival of these art forms, and Chalamet is in a position to help or lift them up, or even just be neutral, and instead he's making some offhand comment about how irrelevant and dying they are in the middle of a "town hall" with Matthew McConoughey, which he was invited to not because he's so smart and has such trenchant things to say about the state of the world or the state of art, but because he is a recognizable name.

It is 100% punching down. He didn't say anything that people in ballet/opera don't already know, but he said it in a way that was rude and condescending for absolutely no reason other than to make the point that his chosen art form is in a *slightly* healthier economic state (if he doesn't think film has its own issues, HE is the stupid one).

So if they know, what are they doing anything about it? Chalamet is annoying, but you know what? He brought a lot of people into the theater to see a stupid irrelevant ping pong movie. In terms of box office, it was one of the few outright successful movies of the year. The film industry needs more people like him to survive, and so do ballet and opera.

The fact that you don't even know what ballets, operas, and symphonies do to attract audiences mean you, like Chalamet, have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation.

Also, if the art you are making is "stupid" and "irrelevant" who cares if a bunch of people pay to watch it?

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

Again, you seem to be under the impression that people in ballet don't understand they are dealing with diminishing audiences and cultural relevancy. THEY KNOW. It is one of the most frequent topics of conversation for the boards of these companies and for the companies themselves. Everyone feels it. Everyone knows.

There are no people in ballet or opera who think the latest production of Gisele or La Traviata is pretty much the same as the new Dune movie. They aren't stupid.

It's punching down because these communities are already well aware that they are fighting for the survival of these art forms, and Chalamet is in a position to help or lift them up, or even just be neutral, and instead he's making some offhand comment about how irrelevant and dying they are in the middle of a "town hall" with Matthew McConoughey, which he was invited to not because he's so smart and has such trenchant things to say about the state of the world or the state of art, but because he is a recognizable name.

It is 100% punching down. He didn't say anything that people in ballet/opera don't already know, but he said it in a way that was rude and condescending for absolutely no reason other than to make the point that his chosen art form is in a *slightly* healthier economic state (if he doesn't think film has its own issues, HE is the stupid one).

So if they know, what are they doing anything about it? Chalamet is annoying, but you know what? He brought a lot of people into the theater to see a stupid irrelevant ping pong movie. In terms of box office, it was one of the few outright successful movies of the year. The film industry needs more people like him to survive, and so do ballet and opera.

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

Again, you seem to be under the impression that people in ballet don't understand they are dealing with diminishing audiences and cultural relevancy. THEY KNOW. It is one of the most frequent topics of conversation for the boards of these companies and for the companies themselves. Everyone feels it. Everyone knows.

There are no people in ballet or opera who think the latest production of Gisele or La Traviata is pretty much the same as the new Dune movie. They aren't stupid.

It's punching down because these communities are already well aware that they are fighting for the survival of these art forms, and Chalamet is in a position to help or lift them up, or even just be neutral, and instead he's making some offhand comment about how irrelevant and dying they are in the middle of a "town hall" with Matthew McConoughey, which he was invited to not because he's so smart and has such trenchant things to say about the state of the world or the state of art, but because he is a recognizable name.

It is 100% punching down. He didn't say anything that people in ballet/opera don't already know, but he said it in a way that was rude and condescending for absolutely no reason other than to make the point that his chosen art form is in a *slightly* healthier economic state (if he doesn't think film has its own issues, HE is the stupid one).

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

Why? To say something totally bland and boring?

It’s a choice. If you want to be positively recognized by your peers and paymasters you can either be appreciative in acknowledging the recognition or be one of the best in the world at whatever it is that you do. Timothee seems to be neither. His entertaining quips get a very different type of attention from very different groups of people. If he’s fine with that, then great. His face dropped a bit though, so maybe he’d like to work out a better balance.

Weinstein was positively recognized by his Hollywood peers for years. So was Woody Allen, and Roman Polanski. Hollywood is disgusting. Arts are in serious trouble right now, yet what is Hollywood doing about it? Nothing. Chalamet made a correct point, in a stupid way.

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Anonymous wrote:It's punching down. It's a Hollywood actor who gets paid millions for everyone movie he makes and who has a big presence in popular culture (and a big voice) criticizing art forms, and by extension artists, who mostly don't make much money and have to fight to be heard or seen in a landscape filled with TikTok videos.

It's not like people in ballet and opera are under the mistaken impression that they are the center of the universe and everyone cares. They know! They know their art forms get less money and attention every year. They know it in their paychecks, ticket sales, and audiences.

It would be like if some wealthy author of romance fiction whose novels are all made into TV shows and movies and is a household name, randomly decided to say "You know I'm so glad I don't write something no one cares about, like poetry or plays. Sorry to poets and play writes I guess."

It's just like -- why be a dick about it? It's not like you see ballerinas and tenors in interviews crapping all over Chalemet movies. They were just minding their own business, making art and working hard at something few people appreciate, when one of the biggest actors in the world decided to attack them. Why? So dumb and I'm glad people went after him for it. He needs to grow up.

I don't see how it's punching down whatsoever: Ballet dancers and opera singers are enormously talented in ways actors are not, and work harder than any actor ever has. It's a different art form. It's less lucrative as a career, and it doesn't bring in crowds the way movies do, plus the field SHOULD be worried about diminishing audiences and solutions to the problem. Him bringing it up with his stupid quote was actually a happy accident because now people are talking about it and getting interested again.

+1. All those people who sit on opera and ballet boards SHOULD be worried that their audiences are diminishing. They’re failing at their jobs, and are angry at Chalamet for highlighting their failures. Meanwhile the hardworking artists are getting paid pennies. Instead of being ashamed of themselves, they are shooting the messenger. Talk about punching down.

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Anonymous wrote:I think he comes off as a boring person who talks too much about his ambition as if it's unique, important and praiseworthy. I saw one acceptance speech for his Bob Dylan role where he talked about how he wanted to be one of the greats. The thrust of the speech was about his ambition. I found it to be a turnoff. Who cares? We're not your mom or dad, there to praise your efforts. Furthermore, it's not unique. Everyone at his level has a burning ambition. Many, many people are ambitious in their fields. I remember thinking he's immature, self-centered and boring. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought so.

So I think think his comment was just another notch on his belt for clueless, immature comments. It was again about his ambition! Shut up about it.

Ballet and opera (and symphony) have had small audiences since the 20th century. They haven't been mainstream for a hundred years or more. Yet there are people who devote their careers to them and people who like and support them. It's like poetry, it's still around but the audience is small and the books are few. The same can be said for many art forms and crafts or disciplines like classics or philosophy. Still, these things can be beautiful and meaningful even if they do not have popular appeal. Many of the participants have huge ambitions for these art forms, just as he does!

He is just a bore and a boor. He needs to stop talking too. There was a reason the old studio system created a mystique around stars. If you know too much about them, you might not like the real person.

It's a case of keep your mouth shut rather opening it and putting your mouth in it.

They have contracts obligating them to give interviews and go on podcasts and to events. I don't disagree that it should change.

He didn't have to talk that way when accepting an award though. Plus he needs better media/PR training.

Why? To say something totally bland and boring?

It’s a choice. If you want to be positively recognized by your peers and paymasters you can either be appreciative in acknowledging the recognition or be one of the best in the world at whatever it is that you do. Timothee seems to be neither. His entertaining quips get a very different type of attention from very different groups of people. If he’s fine with that, then great. His face dropped a bit though, so maybe he’d like to work out a better balance.

And we're talking about him. What we're not talking about is the last opera everyone went to and how much they enjoyed it. Because nobody is going to the opera.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how it's been hyped to such a point. He made one stupid comment, immediately said (because I looked up the whole quote) that he didn't even know why he said that and no disrespect to ballet, AND his own mom is a former ballerina with the New York City Ballet and his grandma and sister also were ballerinas! It seems crazy people are saying it cost him the Oscar and he's now so hated because of it and people are tearing him down for it.

Chalamet didn't lose it because he said that. Michael B. Jordan earned it. He was the better actor. Did you miss him saying about women's main purpose is to have kids and if you don't than you areliving a bleak life? He doesn't have any kids!

That’s not what he said. He said he saw a person bragging about not having kids and thought that was bleak. I too would find a person bragging about not having kids bleak, just as I would find a person bragging about kids bleak. Why brag about your choice?? Some people think their purpose is to have kids, some don’t. Neither needs to brag about it.