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Anonymous wrote:Omg do not take this to HR. Talk to your colleague or your manager, if you must. What is HR supposed to do here?

Uhhh, document instances of harassment and abuse? Of which this clearly is.

In what world do you think it's appropriate to call someone at 9 am on a Sunday morning, demand after hours work (unpaid), and then insult them when told they will handle the issue at the appropriate time and in the appropriate manner?

I'm personally at Mass on Sunday mornings and I'd be absolutely irate if this person interrupted that for a rescheduling email.

Hours??? To read and reply to an email? Hardly.

OP, are you exempt or do you punch in and out on a time clock?

If exempt, given that you are in facilities, and management, I would expect that you would look at email many times over a weekend...just sayin.

Jesus. Learn to read."After hours work" refers to work performed outside of normal business hours. Like, the weekend. It isn't a reference to how long the job took.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why listing what you did over the weekend is relevant to the situation of a colleague calling about what they thought was an important situation. Why not just say you had not checked email but can respond Monday? Or even, take 5 minutes to respond now? It is not like you were called into work or in the middle of an important event.

It's like you didn't read the post. OP doesn't want clients clawing their way into his off hours and personal life. And I applaud him for that. You kids today are so stupid that you essentially have been brain washed into thinking "It's just an email!" It's just a phone call!" "It's just a couple hours on a Sunday!"



My employer will never own me. But, you do you.

Holy F. OP works in Facility Management and maybe the facilities she manages are open on the weekends. It is her job to be available as she said herself.

OP already said that she isn't on call this weekend - her coworker that called was and was being paid for it. OP osnt being paid for being on call this weekend.

Unless OP is getting paid hourly, these things come with territory. Do you not work PP?

DP and I’m entirely with you on this. If you’re not hourly, then the work simply needs to get done.

It’s an email. It doesn’t take a lot of time.

Wow you think a salaried position should work all and any hours including weekends? WTF.

Peeking at email on your phone? Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg do not take this to HR. Talk to your colleague or your manager, if you must. What is HR supposed to do here?

Uhhh, document instances of harassment and abuse? Of which this clearly is.

In what world do you think it's appropriate to call someone at 9 am on a Sunday morning, demand after hours work (unpaid), and then insult them when told they will handle the issue at the appropriate time and in the appropriate manner?

I'm personally at Mass on Sunday mornings and I'd be absolutely irate if this person interrupted that for a rescheduling email.

Hours??? To read and reply to an email? Hardly.

OP, are you exempt or do you punch in and out on a time clock?

If exempt, given that you are in facilities, and management, I would expect that you would look at email many times over a weekend...just sayin.

I think is a generational divide. Almost anyone I know 35 or under is going to have no problem responding with a quick note.

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Today work is divided up by individual and we have email and Teams etc. You are point of contact. So you have to be available for your task. There is no number to call.

That seems like an organizational problem. Why did they change from a system that presumably worked fine?

The whole world did. I had no email at work until 1996, I did not have a cell phone till 2002 and did not have a treo or blackberry till 2004 and did not have high speed internet at home till 2007.

I recall pre 2003 my home phone number was only way to get in touch with me. That was usually just for emergecies like building closed due to water leak, or blizzard with delayed opening

It also broke down due to remote and time zones. My last job was 100 percent remote. The weekend at work really only started 8 pm DC time Friday and ended 8pm DC time Sunday. My time zone did not mean much with co=workers in Australia, Japan, San Fran, London, Portugal etc.

We all were home and online all the time. We even had no auto sign off on my work mac book. I leave it on 24.7 so easy to check anytime.

Today work is divided up by individual and we have email and Teams etc. You are point of contact. So you have to be available for your task. There is no number to call.

That seems like an organizational problem. Why did they change from a system that presumably worked fine?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not sure why listing what you did over the weekend is relevant to the situation of a colleague calling about what they thought was an important situation. Why not just say you had not checked email but can respond Monday? Or even, take 5 minutes to respond now? It is not like you were called into work or in the middle of an important event.

It's like you didn't read the post. OP doesn't want clients clawing their way into his off hours and personal life. And I applaud him for that. You kids today are so stupid that you essentially have been brain washed into thinking "It's just an email!" It's just a phone call!" "It's just a couple hours on a Sunday!"



My employer will never own me. But, you do you.

Holy F. OP works in Facility Management and maybe the facilities she manages are open on the weekends. It is her job to be available as she said herself.

OP already said that she isn't on call this weekend - her coworker that called was and was being paid for it. OP osnt being paid for being on call this weekend.

Unless OP is getting paid hourly, these things come with territory. Do you not work PP?

DP and I’m entirely with you on this. If you’re not hourly, then the work simply needs to get done.

It’s an email. It doesn’t take a lot of time.

Wow you think a salaried position should work all and any hours including weekends? WTF.

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Anonymous wrote:Protect your weekend/holidays/evenings/time off, folks.

Yeah, this is the message.

Storytime- my dad was a high level FBI agent at HQin DC and we vacationed every summer on Hatteras island in the 70s in a little shack that had no phone (or AC, or TV) but work required him to be reachable in emergencies. So, we'd go over to BUrrus Market in Hatteras village and my dad would flash his credentials, introduce himself, let them know we were staying in the Miller place down the way and that they had been designated as the emergency point of contact. If HQ needed him for anything, they would call the market and someone would be sent for my dad. And that actually happened a couple times but mostly we all got some piece and quiet for a week.

Kids these days have sold their soul to their employers. They are literally on a digital leash 24 hours a day. And they don't even get a pension out of it.

Sad

Because today people OWN things. Back in 1986 my dept had a phone number, it would ring on all desks, we had those little lights on bottom to pick up any line. You just called my dept and we were required to have coverage 8am to 7pm five days a week. One of us would be there. You take off it goes to phone number, no work piles up, you come in late, take long lunch, leave early we always had coverage. And we had no voice mail. Once end of day hit no one answered. You could also interoffice mail, but that only came once a day.

Today work is divided up by individual and we have email and Teams etc. You are point of contact. So you have to be available for your task. There is no number to call.

I remember my mom taking me to get shoes ~1970 and realizing whewn we got there that it was closed. It was a Sunday

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Anonymous wrote:Protect your weekend/holidays/evenings/time off, folks.

Yeah, this is the message.

Storytime- my dad was a high level FBI agent at HQin DC and we vacationed every summer on Hatteras island in the 70s in a little shack that had no phone (or AC, or TV) but work required him to be reachable in emergencies. So, we'd go over to BUrrus Market in Hatteras village and my dad would flash his credentials, introduce himself, let them know we were staying in the Miller place down the way and that they had been designated as the emergency point of contact. If HQ needed him for anything, they would call the market and someone would be sent for my dad. And that actually happened a couple times but mostly we all got some piece and quiet for a week.

Kids these days have sold their soul to their employers. They are literally on a digital leash 24 hours a day. And they don't even get a pension out of it.

Sad

Because today people OWN things. Back in 1986 my dept had a phone number, it would ring on all desks, we had those little lights on bottom to pick up any line. You just called my dept and we were required to have coverage 8am to 7pm five days a week. One of us would be there. You take off it goes to phone number, no work piles up, you come in late, take long lunch, leave early we always had coverage. And we had no voice mail. Once end of day hit no one answered. You could also interoffice mail, but that only came once a day.

Today work is divided up by individual and we have email and Teams etc. You are point of contact. So you have to be available for your task. There is no number to call.

Anonymous wrote:Protect your weekend/holidays/evenings/time off, folks.

Yeah, this is the message.

Storytime- my dad was a high level FBI agent at HQin DC and we vacationed every summer on Hatteras island in the 70s in a little shack that had no phone (or AC, or TV) but work required him to be reachable in emergencies. So, we'd go over to BUrrus Market in Hatteras village and my dad would flash his credentials, introduce himself, let them know we were staying in the Miller place down the way and that they had been designated as the emergency point of contact. If HQ needed him for anything, they would call the market and someone would be sent for my dad. And that actually happened a couple times but mostly we all got some piece and quiet for a week.

Kids these days have sold their soul to their employers. They are literally on a digital leash 24 hours a day. And they don't even get a pension out of it.

Sad

Most things can wait and I personally know from experience that teamwork more efficiently when schedules are kept. Less burnout, less stress, more productivity. The reality is that most families have two or more earners and this is the only way to make things work. Weekend work is sometimes necessary but should e the exception. Screen your calls and triage.

Anonymous wrote:Set up an out of office reply for the weekends with instructions for how to contact the right person in case of emergency.

Trouble is real life does not work that way and is very stressful to all around you folks with strict time hours. For example I had a guy he was pretty good working for me. But he had some crazy compulsion with starting work early exactly at 7am and quitting excactly at 355pm and not working off hours.

Over time I found it extremely annoying and stressful and caused me late hours. Why well all that work he shot my way at 355 pm needed review before I could go home or log off to him or otherwise he come in 7am by himself with nothing to do. Also ment any meeting after 330 pm I go and any emergency when he was off line I got.

I currently have two people on team similar to that. WLB is nice. But in reality people who need a question answered at 6pm or on Sunday will bother the next person to get answer so it justs shifts it to next person.

These people are the reason I work late on Fridays or Sunday night often.

Set up an out of office reply for the weekends with instructions for how to contact the right person in case of emergency.

Got a short tense email back as if how dare me contact you on a Sunday.

Some people just don't understand how asynchronous communication works, I guess.

Facilities managers are lazy and arrogant, I am President of a condo association by the beach on Long Island NY. I live in DC I emailed condo mgt at 4pm yesterday to see if ready for storm in particular if they roof repair they were supposed to do on one unit last week.

Got a short tense email back as if how dare me contact you on a Sunday. Dude you are building mgt and a once in 30 year storm is hitting building. You should be sending out a email to all your buildings on status if you don’t want people to contact you on a Sunday