Anonymous wrote:I believe in legal immigration. I despise T and this ice bs is despicable. That being said, we would not be here if Biden and his admin hadn’t pulled their anarchist bs. All they had to do was tow a moderate rational line and we could have gotten this country back on track. & T never would have been voted back in. Now we have this hellscape.

Someone’s pushing the Trump propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:So if there are millions of people, our government ignoring the Constitution is OK?

They haven't ignored the Constitution.
What they have done is gotten creative with the laws on the books to deport more people.
They could leave alone people applying for asylum, but instead they are using the fact that many have no legal status, were just granted parole by Biden, and are revoking the parole.

They are engaging in unconstitutional acts, full stop.
Extrajudicial killing.
Stopping cars checking immigration status: Federal agents cannot arbitrarily stop cars to conduct fishing expedition questioning of someone's immigration status.
Leaked memo: Federal agents cannot enter private property solely with administrative warrants.

All of these violate the 4th Amendment.
They are happening repeatedly and frequently.
All PERSONS, regardless of citizenship or other status, have 4th amendment rights.

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Anonymous wrote:So if there are millions of people, our government ignoring the Constitution is OK?

They haven't ignored the Constitution.
What they have done is gotten creative with the laws on the books to deport more people.
They could leave alone people applying for asylum, but instead they are using the fact that many have no legal status, were just granted parole by Biden, and are revoking the parole.

No jackass. Getting "creative with the law" is ignoring the Constitution.

Stop your BS, paper-thin rationalizing and just ADMIT you enjoy seeing brown people and "libs" beaten, tortured, and killed in the streets and in sub-human conditions in detention centers. That you are a sicko psychopath. Cause that is what you are if you defend anything that is going on with ICE right now. We see right through you. You are as bad as the ICE thugs. Disgusting POS.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.

It’s a misdomenor, not worthy of jail or execution.

It is worthy of detainment and deportation, though. Ask the Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

How did ICE behave differently under President Obama? Oh, right -- they didn't act like paramilitary goons trampling all over the Constitution.

Paramilitarized, because of Democrat resistance and obstruction.

Resistance and obstruction are what our founding forefathers did against a tyrannical government. Isn't that why gun advocates say we still need 2A, just in case the government becomes tyrannical?

Anonymous wrote:I believe in legal immigration. I despise T and this ice bs is despicable. That being said, we would not be here if Biden and his admin hadn’t pulled their anarchist bs. All they had to do was tow a moderate rational line and we could have gotten this country back on track. & T never would have been voted back in. Now we have this hellscape.

You toe the line, you don't tow it.

The population of undocumented immigrants in the US at the end of 2023 was 11.7 million, a rise of 1.6 million since 2020 but a decrease of .3 million since 2008. All the hysteria has been driven by propoganda.

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Removals Per President
President Removals Removals Per Year Political Party Years in Office
Benjamin Harrison 2,801 2,801 Republican 1
Grover Cleveland 9,069 2,267 Democrat 4
William McKinley 17,642 3,528 Republican 5
Theodore Roosevelt 76,390 10,913 Republican 7
William H. Taft 83,150 20,788 Republican 4
Woodrow Wilson 162,371 20,296 Democrat 8
Warren G. Harding 60,652 20,217 Republican 3
Calvin Coolidge 164,913 32,983 Republican 5
Herbert Hoover 110,275 27,569 Republican 4
Franklin D. Roosevelt 171,939 13,226 Democrat 13
Harry S. Truman 140,553 20,079 Democrat 7
Dwight D. Eisenhower 110,019 13,752 Republican 8
John F. Kennedy 23,969 7,990 Democrat 3
Lyndon B. Johnson 48,737 9,747 Democrat 5
Richard M. Nixon 81,022 16,204 Republican 5
Gerald R. Ford 82,316 27,439 Republican 3
Jimmy Carter 105,378 26,345 Democrat 4
Ronald Reagan 168,364 21,046 Republican 8
George Bush 141,326 35,332 Republican 4
Bill Clinton 869,646 108,706 Democrat 8
George W. Bush 2,012,539 251,567 Republican 8
Barack Obama 3,066,457 383,307 Democrat 8
Donald J. Trump 551,449 275,725 Republican 2
(this chart ended in 2022)

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Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.

Crossing the border is not in itself a crime. It is only illegal if the person doesn't get properly processed through BP. If someone does enter illegally, the first offense is usually just a misdemeanor. Every other type of visa irregularity is a civil offense, not a crime. The penalty is deportation.

Most people caught get deported quickly rather than facing full criminal prosecution, but jail time is possible, especially for repeats.

I don't know that's necessarily the case that they are simply deported quickly. DHS has been dropping criminal charges against undocumented immigrants to speed up deportation, but I think historically the idea was that regardless of your status you deserved the legal punishment for your crime. I'm pretty sure the foamily of a murder victim wouldn't be happy to see the perpetrator simply deported rather than serving a sentence, and when people commit violent crimes their home countries might not necessarily accept their return. I'm sure there are situations in which foreign government agree to accept a convicted citizen of their own country involving serving their sentence in that country, and I'm sure a lot of complicated agreements with other countries are a factor. I certainly know of particular cases in which someone who has committed a violent crime has been sentenced to serve time in US prisons (e.g. the Honduran former president, but there are also cases that aren't widely publicized). Certainly high-level drug crimes are not going to lead simply to deportation if there is a risk the person will be able to resume that activity. It's not just a matter of the US being burdened with the costs of prison, it's also about basic principles of criminal justice.

As for felony charges involving unlawful border crossings, I've been a grand jury member involving those cases (someone who has crossed more than once and has previously been removed under immigration laws). Simply deporting lets them cross yet again, which would also be against basic legal principles.

Anonymous wrote:I believe in legal immigration. I despise T and this ice bs is despicable. That being said, we would not be here if Biden and his admin hadn’t pulled their anarchist bs. All they had to do was tow a moderate rational line and we could have gotten this country back on track. & T never would have been voted back in. Now we have this hellscape.

Trump rigged the election. Even if you think he didn’t, Biden’s actions did NOT cause Trump to arrest mothers, use 5yos as lures, and murder American citizens in broad daylight for their using free speech, as protected in the first article of the constitution.

Please do better as a voting citizen and check your morals.

I believe in legal immigration. I despise T and this ice bs is despicable. That being said, we would not be here if Biden and his admin hadn’t pulled their anarchist bs. All they had to do was tow a moderate rational line and we could have gotten this country back on track. & T never would have been voted back in. Now we have this hellscape.

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Anonymous wrote:So if there are millions of people, our government ignoring the Constitution is OK?

They haven't ignored the Constitution.
What they have done is gotten creative with the laws on the books to deport more people.
They could leave alone people applying for asylum, but instead they are using the fact that many have no legal status, were just granted parole by Biden, and are revoking the parole.

They’ve gotten very, very “creative” with this particular law on the biggest book we have:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Anonymous wrote:So if there are millions of people, our government ignoring the Constitution is OK?

They haven't ignored the Constitution.
What they have done is gotten creative with the laws on the books to deport more people.
They could leave alone people applying for asylum, but instead they are using the fact that many have no legal status, were just granted parole by Biden, and are revoking the parole.

You know dictators talk like this?

Law is very straightforward. Watch out for the "creatives."

Anonymous wrote:So if there are millions of people, our government ignoring the Constitution is OK?

They haven't ignored the Constitution.
What they have done is gotten creative with the laws on the books to deport more people.
They could leave alone people applying for asylum, but instead they are using the fact that many have no legal status, were just granted parole by Biden, and are revoking the parole.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.

It’s a misdomenor, not worthy of jail or execution.

It is worthy of detainment and deportation, though. Ask the Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

How did ICE behave differently under President Obama? Oh, right -- they didn't act like paramilitary goons trampling all over the Constitution.

Paramilitarized, because of Democrat resistance and obstruction.

Sure I'm going to create one of the largest paramilitary forces in the world because the Dems made me do it

- said by someone who doesn't care about the Constitution (go on, at least try and deny this. It's the American thing to do)

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Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.

It’s a misdomenor, not worthy of jail or execution.

It is worthy of detainment and deportation, though. Ask the Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

How did ICE behave differently under President Obama? Oh, right -- they didn't act like paramilitary goons trampling all over the Constitution.

Paramilitarized, because of Democrat resistance and obstruction.

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Anonymous wrote:We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported?

Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.

You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.

I did above. Once again, "sure."

Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is proof that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?

They are not legal immigrants. There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway. This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.

We could be humane about it, though. If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.

Immigration enforcement is necessary. How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.

If it was ten people, as parole is intended, that would be one thing. Biden let in millions.

So if there are millions of people, our government ignoring the Constitution is OK?

DP

There are over 10 million illegal aliens.

I think the Steven Miller plan is to be so phacking cruel that people will just leave.

We are holding people's children hostage to get them to come out of their house when we don't have a warrant to go get them. It's times like this that a little part of me wants to believe in hell.

I just don’t believe that’s what happened. If they wanted to beat down the door, they would have. They’ve done it before.

You don’t have to believe it, but truly don’t let your failure of imagination blind you from the truth.

This is a group that is spraying pepper gas directly into people’s faces while they are restrained on the ground and hauling citizens out of their house nearly naked in winter. When it comes to narcissists and psychopaths, there is literally no low to which they will not go. Using a child as bait is definitely right in their wheelhouse because it tortures both the parent and the child who will feel guilt the rest of their life. They don’t deserve the benefit of any doubt, and the fact their story keeps changing is a good hint it’s not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.

It’s a misdomenor, not worthy of jail or execution.

It is worthy of detainment and deportation, though. Ask the Deporter-in-Chief Obama.

How did ICE behave differently under President Obama? Oh, right -- they didn't act like paramilitary goons trampling all over the Constitution.