Anonymous wrote:Would that $5-9k be in addition to funding already provided by the league? That could ever helpful to a club like ours with a tight budget. Probably like others, I’m not sure we’d be able to meet all the needs facility-wise.

My understanding is NVSL supplies money to help the event (porta-potties, equipment, etc). The 5K to 9K would be straight cash to the pool/team. Then you have more earning potential on concessions but at least you are guaranteed something for the closure time. If our pool was to host, I would think that the pool itself would get that money (like a rental fee) and then money made on concessions would be to the team. Pool boards that are in financial trouble would benefit from a chunk of cash.

NVSL is pretty good about working with pools that might not have perfect set ups. But, agree, some pools should not be even considered.

Would that $5-9k be in addition to funding already provided by the league? That could ever helpful to a club like ours with a tight budget. Probably like others, I’m not sure we’d be able to meet all the needs facility-wise.

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Anonymous wrote:I know there has been a push to move IAS to a venue like GMU and charge entry fees to cover rental. Has NVSL thought about that?

How about charging entry fees and passing them along to the host club/pool?

So there are two considerations. Right now, running these two meets is a huge lift and if the team does not make a lot of money there is no incentive to close to their general membership. Our pool's swim team families make up 20% of our general membership. They are the most active families but nowhere near close to a majority. My guess is that most pools are the same and you would have to talk to the pool board to see what the breakdown is.

So next year the plan is to charge an entry fee for either each relay entered for ASR and an entry fee for each swimmer for IAS, so let's say $10 per swimmer- nominal for the most part. So the teams that send the most entrants would pay the most. This money is to counter the loss of pool use and work; in theory compensate the pool's other 80% membership from loss of use. Now, if you rent a facility we are talking about a LOT more money and I am not sure most teams could afford that. The entry fees would only provide $5000- $9000 to the host pool depending on which league met. For some pools this would make a huge difference. But renting a facility is in the tens of thousands.

Anonymous wrote:When I swam in the NVSL in the 80's the parental spectating was much lower. There were actually very few parents who were sitting around watching their kids swim if they weren't volunteering. My mom would drop me off to get a ride with other people if she wasn't volunteering at the meet. It was really unusual that one swimmer would have 2 parents watching them.
Now, two parents watching is the norm. This, plus the growth by 1/3 makes it a much bigger meet to host.
The other aspect is how built up the area has become. So many small houses on big lots have become two houses. That small house on a big lot usually had off street parking for all the cars they owned, so street parking was open for others. Now, frequently big houses have only one off street parking spot, and 1-2 additional cars they are looking for on street parking for.
This means that when something happens like a big meet that takes up a ton of street parking, the neighborhood is more resistant and gets more upset.

Agree that there was more carpooling and less parent involvement back in the day, but for IAS and ASR both of your own parents with come. It was considered a big deal even back then.

Regarding development, the areas with the pools in the list were pretty well developed areas back then.

The meets were pretty simplistic though. I don’t think pools shut down to membership two days before. There was no pool orientation session. It was like a more important Saturday A meet. There were medals and an awards area. That was maybe the only difference I can really remember. I don’t remember the porta pottys, massive tent villages, and clubhouses being closed down.

Anonymous wrote:I know there has been a push to move IAS to a venue like GMU and charge entry fees to cover rental. Has NVSL thought about that?

How about charging entry fees and passing them along to the host club/pool?

Anonymous wrote:When I swam in the NVSL in the 80's the parental spectating was much lower. There were actually very few parents who were sitting around watching their kids swim if they weren't volunteering. My mom would drop me off to get a ride with other people if she wasn't volunteering at the meet. It was really unusual that one swimmer would have 2 parents watching them.
Now, two parents watching is the norm. This, plus the growth by 1/3 makes it a much bigger meet to host.
The other aspect is how built up the area has become. So many small houses on big lots have become two houses. That small house on a big lot usually had off street parking for all the cars they owned, so street parking was open for others. Now, frequently big houses have only one off street parking spot, and 1-2 additional cars they are looking for on street parking for.
This means that when something happens like a big meet that takes up a ton of street parking, the neighborhood is more resistant and gets more upset.

Agree with all this. Growing up our parents barely knew what we were doing. Now parents are very much in everything and kids are not able to manage themselves well.

Pools used to have space but now communities have built up around them.

It might be time to adapt that summer swim cannot run the league meets anymore.

When I swam in the NVSL in the 80's the parental spectating was much lower. There were actually very few parents who were sitting around watching their kids swim if they weren't volunteering. My mom would drop me off to get a ride with other people if she wasn't volunteering at the meet. It was really unusual that one swimmer would have 2 parents watching them.
Now, two parents watching is the norm. This, plus the growth by 1/3 makes it a much bigger meet to host.
The other aspect is how built up the area has become. So many small houses on big lots have become two houses. That small house on a big lot usually had off street parking for all the cars they owned, so street parking was open for others. Now, frequently big houses have only one off street parking spot, and 1-2 additional cars they are looking for on street parking for.
This means that when something happens like a big meet that takes up a ton of street parking, the neighborhood is more resistant and gets more upset.

Anonymous wrote:I know there has been a push to move IAS to a venue like GMU and charge entry fees to cover rental. Has NVSL thought about that?

Yes, but the board views it as "summer swim happens outside"

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Anonymous wrote:As a former NVSL swimmer, I’m saddened to hear that IAS and ASR may not happen. Times have changed.

And no I don’t belong to a pool that could host. We live in a community that participates in CSL.

Serious question you might know the answer. The league has stayed the same size so why is it becoming more onerous for pools to host in recent years? What pools have hosted in the past?

Back in my day it was top 12 not top 18. Maybe having a smaller size meet was easier to host? Less traffic, less space needed. Not sure when it was switched from top 12 to top 18.

Here is a historical list of hosts someone created in another post that gives some flavor to the pools that used to host.

1984 ASR - Sleepy Hollow Bath and Racquet
1985 IAS - Old Keene Mill
1985 ASR - Mansion House
1986 IAS - Stratford
1986 ASR - Dunn Loring
1987 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1987 ASR - Dunn Loring
1988 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1988 ASR - Mansion House
1989 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1989 ASR - Truro
1990 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1990 ASR - Stratford
1991 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1991 ASR - Ilda
1992 IAS - Waynewood
1992 ASR - Ilda
1993 IAS - Waynewood
1993 ASR - Mosby Woods
1994 IAS - Cardinal Hill (they love to host Divisionals)
1994 ASR - Mosby Woods

Waynewood probably is the best possible pool. Huge grounds. Tons of parking and a cool down/warm up pool.

Anonymous wrote:I know there has been a push to move IAS to a venue like GMU and charge entry fees to cover rental. Has NVSL thought about that?

Yes

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former NVSL swimmer, I’m saddened to hear that IAS and ASR may not happen. Times have changed.

And no I don’t belong to a pool that could host. We live in a community that participates in CSL.

Serious question you might know the answer. The league has stayed the same size so why is it becoming more onerous for pools to host in recent years? What pools have hosted in the past?

Back in my day it was top 12 not top 18. Maybe having a smaller size meet was easier to host? Less traffic, less space needed. Not sure when it was switched from top 12 to top 18.

Here is a historical list of hosts someone created in another post that gives some flavor to the pools that used to host.

1984 ASR - Sleepy Hollow Bath and Racquet
1985 IAS - Old Keene Mill
1985 ASR - Mansion House
1986 IAS - Stratford
1986 ASR - Dunn Loring
1987 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1987 ASR - Dunn Loring
1988 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1988 ASR - Mansion House
1989 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1989 ASR - Truro
1990 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1990 ASR - Stratford
1991 IAS - Wakefield Chapel
1991 ASR - Ilda
1992 IAS - Waynewood
1992 ASR - Ilda
1993 IAS - Waynewood
1993 ASR - Mosby Woods
1994 IAS - Cardinal Hill (they love to host Divisionals)
1994 ASR - Mosby Woods

Anonymous wrote:As a former NVSL swimmer, I’m saddened to hear that IAS and ASR may not happen. Times have changed.

And no I don’t belong to a pool that could host. We live in a community that participates in CSL.

Serious question you might know the answer. The league has stayed the same size so why is it becoming more onerous for pools to host in recent years? What pools have hosted in the past?

I know there has been a push to move IAS to a venue like GMU and charge entry fees to cover rental. Has NVSL thought about that?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree that they are incorrect but it’s not a problem if your team wants to host. It’s a huge lift. Your team is welcome to take it on instead of complaining.

Again, thrilled it might not happen. Not complaining at all.

Doesn't change the fact that Lincolnia is 100% wrong in their interpretation here and are acting quite pettily!

I like ASR but IAS and that might not happen this year and I would be thrilled. It is not a fun meet. It is a ton of work and since it is after the season is over it is hard on team reps and coaches.

Um, you do know it's about the kids, right? Your finding it not fun is irrelevant to THE KIDS.

As a former NVSL swimmer, I’m saddened to hear that IAS and ASR may not happen. Times have changed.

And no I don’t belong to a pool that could host. We live in a community that participates in CSL.