Anonymous wrote:OP here. My main point was that in the old testament the God there chooses the jews even though they often don't believe in him. They are his special people. He stays with them like a parent with his children even when they disobey and hes cruel to other groups of people. The Christian God does not believe in a special group of people at all. Its a different God that doesn't care about your lineage. Then the Christian God eventually forgets the jews. Doesn't go back to get them. Just moves onto using his spirit to convince Pagans to follow him. To me it's all so obvious that the two Gods are inconsistent with each other and not the same God.

Belief in the Christian God evolved like everything else. The early Israelites were culturally indistinguishable from their Canaanite neighbors, who worshipped a pantheon led by El, the creator and father of the gods. Other prominent figures included the storm god Baal and El's consort Asherah. Evidence suggests Yahweh (the Jewish name for God) originated as a local warrior or storm god from the southern regions of Edom or Midian. When this deity was introduced to the north, he was initially integrated into the Canaanite-style pantheon, possibly even viewed as one of the many sons of El. Over time, the Israelites syncretized Yahweh with El, eventually using the names interchangeably. Yahweh assumed El’s title as "Most High" and the supreme creator. This evolved into monolatry, the worship of one god (Yahweh) as a national patron while still acknowledging the existence of other gods like Baal, who became Yahweh's primary rivals. Following the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), Israelite religion shifted from monolatry to exclusive monotheism. The existence of other gods was denied entirely, and those other gods were reclassified as idols or demons. Yahweh was no longer just a national deity but the one and only "God" of all nations. By the Hellenistic and Roman periods, Jews began substituting the sacred name "Yahweh" with titles like Adonai ("Lord"). Christianity emerged from this Second Temple Judaism, further evolving the concept.

Anonymous wrote:DH, bar mitzva'd on Long Island, said it was news to him "most Jews don't believe in God."

You are being contrary just for the sake of beinf contrary. Most jews don't believe in Christianity or the God depicted in Christianity. If you disagree on that point fine, but we are talking about how the God in Christianity differs from the God in Judaism.

DH, bar mitzva'd on Long Island, said it was news to him "most Jews don't believe in God."

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure where someone got the idea that the Jews didn't follow Christ. Early Christians WERE all Jews. It was a Jewish sect. They spread the religion to the Romans and it became popular with non-Jews. At one point, people actually referred to Christians as either Jewish or non-Jewish Christians. However, the non-Jewish Christians grew in number and at some point there may have been tension between the two groups, with Jewish Christians feeling a bit second-class in the larger group.

And of course, we know that eventually the religion spread until the majority of Christians were not of Jewish origin. But it would be a factual mistake to say that Jews did not follow Jesus, because many did. However, the Jews that are still called Jews today are mostly the descendants of those who did not follow him.

I WAS TAUGHT THIS AS WELL.

Very true. Thats what's told but from the perspective of God how does that make him a consistent person? It doesn't. You have to twist your mind to make it seem like its totally normal that God gave up on the Jews.

Anonymous wrote:Jesus was a jew. Also I'm pretty sure Catholics believe they succeeded the Jews as the 'chosen people'.

Catholics never refer to themselves as the Chosen People. I should know. I'm a former catholic.

Jesus was a jew. Also I'm pretty sure Catholics believe they succeeded the Jews as the 'chosen people'.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where someone got the idea that the Jews didn't follow Christ. Early Christians WERE all Jews. It was a Jewish sect. They spread the religion to the Romans and it became popular with non-Jews. At one point, people actually referred to Christians as either Jewish or non-Jewish Christians. However, the non-Jewish Christians grew in number and at some point there may have been tension between the two groups, with Jewish Christians feeling a bit second-class in the larger group.

And of course, we know that eventually the religion spread until the majority of Christians were not of Jewish origin. But it would be a factual mistake to say that Jews did not follow Jesus, because many did. However, the Jews that are still called Jews today are mostly the descendants of those who did not follow him.

I WAS TAUGHT THIS AS WELL.

OP here. My main point was that in the old testament the God there chooses the jews even though they often don't believe in him. They are his special people. He stays with them like a parent with his children even when they disobey and hes cruel to other groups of people. The Christian God does not believe in a special group of people at all. Its a different God that doesn't care about your lineage. Then the Christian God eventually forgets the jews. Doesn't go back to get them. Just moves onto using his spirit to convince Pagans to follow him. To me it's all so obvious that the two Gods are inconsistent with each other and not the same God.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where someone got the idea that the Jews didn't follow Christ. Early Christians WERE all Jews. It was a Jewish sect. They spread the religion to the Romans and it became popular with non-Jews. At one point, people actually referred to Christians as either Jewish or non-Jewish Christians. However, the non-Jewish Christians grew in number and at some point there may have been tension between the two groups, with Jewish Christians feeling a bit second-class in the larger group.

And of course, we know that eventually the religion spread until the majority of Christians were not of Jewish origin. But it would be a factual mistake to say that Jews did not follow Jesus, because many did. However, the Jews that are still called Jews today are mostly the descendants of those who did not follow him.

Not sure where you got these erroneous ideas. 🤭

Anonymous wrote:Some Jews believe in Jesus as the messiah - messianic Jews. Some Jews believe Jesus was a prophet. Jesus himself was Jewish, and believed in himself.

Messianic Judaism is Christian denomination that pretends to be Judaism.

Anonymous wrote:Some Jews believe in Jesus as the messiah - messianic Jews. Some Jews believe Jesus was a prophet. Jesus himself was Jewish, and believed in himself.

BS BS BS
No "Jew" believes in Jesus.

"Messianic Jews" are like Jews for Jesus cults nothing but shitty cults.

Anonymous wrote:Not sure where someone got the idea that the Jews didn't follow Christ. Early Christians WERE all Jews. It was a Jewish sect. They spread the religion to the Romans and it became popular with non-Jews. At one point, people actually referred to Christians as either Jewish or non-Jewish Christians. However, the non-Jewish Christians grew in number and at some point there may have been tension between the two groups, with Jewish Christians feeling a bit second-class in the larger group.

And of course, we know that eventually the religion spread until the majority of Christians were not of Jewish origin. But it would be a factual mistake to say that Jews did not follow Jesus, because many did. However, the Jews that are still called Jews today are mostly the descendants of those who did not follow him.

For the most part, the Jews writ large did reject the ideas of "christians". For a group that supposedly was around to witness his speeches and his miracles, only a tiny fraction became "jewish christians". Its not until Paul and his more gentile friendly interpretations of their beliefs that it spread. Let's not forget that the gentiles were already primed to accept it as the Greco-Roman world was saturated with "dying and rising god" myths.

Not sure where someone got the idea that the Jews didn't follow Christ. Early Christians WERE all Jews. It was a Jewish sect. They spread the religion to the Romans and it became popular with non-Jews. At one point, people actually referred to Christians as either Jewish or non-Jewish Christians. However, the non-Jewish Christians grew in number and at some point there may have been tension between the two groups, with Jewish Christians feeling a bit second-class in the larger group.

And of course, we know that eventually the religion spread until the majority of Christians were not of Jewish origin. But it would be a factual mistake to say that Jews did not follow Jesus, because many did. However, the Jews that are still called Jews today are mostly the descendants of those who did not follow him.

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Anonymous wrote:Um. Is that why it's called the New Testament? And the Old Testament?
And eckchewally, Jews read Torah, not the whole Old Testament.

Question: why are atheists posting on DCUM mostly aggrieved about Jesus and Jesus believers? Why not address Jews directly too?

I hear this complaint a lot, and it is pathetic because the complainers certainly know these things to be true:

1. Atheists don't believe in all religions equally. There are no degrees of not believing. Therefore there is no particular prejudice against your myth than any other.
2. Christianity is the most popular religion in the USA, therefore it would be sensible that most discussion of religion in the USA, for or against, would be about christianity. It's not that they hate your myth more. It's simple math.

Again, complainers know those things.

Well, I didn't know the posts were just a numbers game. Most religions in the US have "god" so I thought "god" would be the focus, not splitting hairs about is the bible taken literally, etc.

Honestly I wondered if Jews weren't mentioned or included in the "god crowd" for fear of seeming antisemitic.

Honestly? You were afraid of seeming antisemitic even though you're anonymous here?

ALso - All the Jews I know don't believe in God - and tell me so.

Did anyone read Matthew?