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Anonymous wrote:Hey, here are some other studies (actual studies, not screenshots from X):

High School GPAs and ACT Scores as Predictors of College Completion: Examining Assumptions About Consistency Across High Schools: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.3102/0013189X20902110

Contextualized High School Performance: Evidence to Inform Equitable Holistic, Test-Optional, and Test-Free Admissions Policies https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23328584231197413

Is the Sky Falling? Grade Inflation and the Signaling Power of Grades
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0013189X13481382

Predicting College Success
How Do Different High School Assessments Measure Up?
https://edpolicyinca.org/publications/predicting-college-success-how-do-different-high-school-assessments-measure-2019

All of these fail to take account for the restricted range problem. A problem that went away during the test optional covid era when we could see the effect of admitting students with lower test scores on a regular basis. All of this is true at highly selective colleges and less true at less selective colleges.

That’s an excellent point. With top schools the SAT scores were so high that there was very little difference and thus there would be little effect of SAT scores on student outcomes. UT Austin did an analysis of TO vs non-TO students and found that TO students had SAT scores. According to UT’s own analysis, students who submitted test scores during the test-optional period tended to perform better academically with higher GPA and lower risk of poor grades compared to those who didn’t submit scores, even after controlling for high school grades and class rank. The difference in GPA was .86; almost a full letter grade.

UT is a massive state school that accepts students with 1200 SATs as long as they are top of their class. It’s nothing like the top colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, here are some other studies (actual studies, not screenshots from X):

High School GPAs and ACT Scores as Predictors of College Completion: Examining Assumptions About Consistency Across High Schools: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.3102/0013189X20902110

Contextualized High School Performance: Evidence to Inform Equitable Holistic, Test-Optional, and Test-Free Admissions Policies https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/23328584231197413

Is the Sky Falling? Grade Inflation and the Signaling Power of Grades
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0013189X13481382

Predicting College Success
How Do Different High School Assessments Measure Up?
https://edpolicyinca.org/publications/predicting-college-success-how-do-different-high-school-assessments-measure-2019

All of these fail to take account for the restricted range problem. A problem that went away during the test optional covid era when we could see the effect of admitting students with lower test scores on a regular basis. All of this is true at highly selective colleges and less true at less selective colleges.

That’s an excellent point. With top schools the SAT scores were so high that there was very little difference and thus there would be little effect of SAT scores on student outcomes. UT Austin did an analysis of TO vs non-TO students and found that TO students had SAT scores. According to UT’s own analysis, students who submitted test scores during the test-optional period tended to perform better academically with higher GPA and lower risk of poor grades compared to those who didn’t submit scores, even after controlling for high school grades and class rank. The difference in GPA was .86; almost a full letter grade.

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Anonymous wrote:It is so weird to me how obsessed some of you are with test scores as the end all and be all—and I say this as someone with a kid who got at 36 on the ACT in their first and only try.

I don’t think this entitles my kid to admission over kids with lower or no test scores. I think TO is great. I am glad 95% of schools are still TO.

Some of you need to off X and get outside. Good lord.

I agree. I think it’s the parents of high scorers who can’t believe a student can show intelligence/ talent/ potential/ ambition/ drive in another way. Test blind has worked out just fine for California schools

ROTFLMAO

It’s meeting the priorities of the state. They are ROTFLTAO if you think that they care one bit about your priorities.

More accurately, it’s meeting the ideological priorities of the state.

Political priorities. The UCs admissions process is designed to achieve statewide representation at every campus as opposed to just serving the Bay Area and SoCal suburbs. Makes complete sense as a public institution. It has always been that way, it just gets more attention now with the predictable results for the talent dense Bay Area.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think they trigger the other group

I am firmly in the test required camp and i am triggered. The quantum leap in the stupidification of america with test optional was disturbing. The students became so dumb all of a sudden. That a society would do this to themselves is mind boggling.

If an alien race came along and wanted to subjugate us, this i how they might start.

If someone else did this to us we would be at war.

I'm on the other end. There needs to be more accountability on American schools. Why are thousands of kids in AP classes, learning nothing, and getting into top colleges? Make AP exam scores required, make the exams more difficult, and force schools to submit their ap average scores for each exam. GPA can, used to be, and should be the best predictor of success. High schools need to be pressured to curve to an average Gpa of 3.0 and eventually 2.0. 4.0s should be rare and standardized exams need to weigh your final score in a course. The SAT is a waste of time, and only the focus, because the kids are so dumb from the schools that pass 100s to anyone who completes the assignment.

This already happens at many schools. It also is a problem in some parts of the country along with a lack of rigor in honors classes.

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Anonymous wrote:It is so weird to me how obsessed some of you are with test scores as the end all and be all—and I say this as someone with a kid who got at 36 on the ACT in their first and only try.

I don’t think this entitles my kid to admission over kids with lower or no test scores. I think TO is great. I am glad 95% of schools are still TO.

Some of you need to off X and get outside. Good lord.

I agree. I think it’s the parents of high scorers who can’t believe a student can show intelligence/ talent/ potential/ ambition/ drive in another way. Test blind has worked out just fine for California schools

ROTFLMAO

It’s meeting the priorities of the state. They are ROTFLTAO if you think that they care one bit about your priorities.

More accurately, it’s meeting the ideological priorities of the state.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I actually think they trigger the other group

I am firmly in the test required camp and i am triggered. The quantum leap in the stupidification of america with test optional was disturbing. The students became so dumb all of a sudden. That a society would do this to themselves is mind boggling.

If an alien race came along and wanted to subjugate us, this i how they might start.

If someone else did this to us we would be at war.

I'm on the other end. There needs to be more accountability on American schools. Why are thousands of kids in AP classes, learning nothing, and getting into top colleges? Make AP exam scores required, make the exams more difficult, and force schools to submit their ap average scores for each exam. GPA can, used to be, and should be the best predictor of success. High schools need to be pressured to curve to an average Gpa of 3.0 and eventually 2.0. 4.0s should be rare and standardized exams need to weigh your final score in a course. The SAT is a waste of time, and only the focus, because the kids are so dumb from the schools that pass 100s to anyone who completes the assignment.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think they trigger the other group

I am firmly in the test required camp and i am triggered. The quantum leap in the stupidification of america with test optional was disturbing. The students became so dumb all of a sudden. That a society would do this to themselves is mind boggling.

If an alien race came along and wanted to subjugate us, this i how they might start.
If someone else did this to us we would be at war.

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Anonymous wrote:Test blind has worked out just fine for California schools