Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:54     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
this thread could benefit by having people name the selective valuable programs, schools, and majors, etc.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:45     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is any college education worth $400k?

Note: I can report that the tuition is just a part of it. We are spending a small fortune on off-campus housing, food, (ahem) entertainment, etc. in a supposedly affordable area…it’s obscene.

I wonder if the money would have been better spent on investments to supplement my kid’s future earnings following a less expensive college path (eg, community college followed by in-state flagship).


Currently Michigan costs about 346K for 4 years. Not 400K

FACT


I'm not sure this is much of a difference and you'll end up spending thousands more over 4 years on flights and also on off-campus housing and food. You start out thinking your kid will live in dorms and then suddenly you're paying a small fortune for apartments that are on 12 month leases. As a previous poster mentioned, other large costs accrue.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:42     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.


I suggest you just stay at home and leave the critical thinking to those who employ it.


Rest assured, I have most likely come more around than you.


Critical thinking is the process of analyzing available facts, evidence, observations, and arguments to make sound conclusions or informed choices. It involves recognizing underlying assumptions, providing justifications for ideas and actions, evaluating these justifications through comparisons with varying perspectives, and assessing their rationality and potential consequences.[1] The goal of critical thinking is to form a judgment through the application of rational, skeptical, and unbiased analyses and evaluations

You did none of the above.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:37     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:Is any college education worth $400k?

Note: I can report that the tuition is just a part of it. We are spending a small fortune on off-campus housing, food, (ahem) entertainment, etc. in a supposedly affordable area…it’s obscene.

I wonder if the money would have been better spent on investments to supplement my kid’s future earnings following a less expensive college path (eg, community college followed by in-state flagship).


Currently Michigan costs about 346K for 4 years. Not 400K

FACT
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:33     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:The "select programs" are the reason to choose U of Michigan. Otherwise, no. For a general admit at that OOS price, no. imo[/

Select programs being Ross and Computer Science/Engineering and a few other. Unless you’re talented you’re not getting into the SMTD or Stamps.

It’s not that difficult to change majors at Michigan for the most part, including Engineering.

https://admissions.umich.edu/explore-visit/blog/changing-majors

I wish people would actually know facts before spouting nonsense.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:25     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Is any college education worth $400k?

Note: I can report that the tuition is just a part of it. We are spending a small fortune on off-campus housing, food, (ahem) entertainment, etc. in a supposedly affordable area…it’s obscene.

I wonder if the money would have been better spent on investments to supplement my kid’s future earnings following a less expensive college path (eg, community college followed by in-state flagship).
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:23     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.


I suggest you just stay at home and leave the critical thinking to those who employ it.


Rest assured, I have most likely come more around than you.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:23     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
The time to form an opinion re: is it worth it, is well before your student applies.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:22     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:That's why I chose Michigan State over Michigan. I was able to try out different majors


….since I wasn’t accepted into Ann Arbor…..
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:20     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.


I suggest you just stay at home and leave the critical thinking to those who employ it.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:19     Subject: Re:Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
There is no school worth $400,000.

If you want to stop the insanity cease all financial aid and require every student to borrow the full COA from the federal government. If their parents give them money to pay tuition, tax students at the rate each gift would trigger as a single paycheck.

Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:15     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
The "select programs" are the reason to choose U of Michigan. Otherwise, no. For a general admit at that OOS price, no. imo
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:15     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:14     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
That's why I chose Michigan State over Michigan. I was able to try out different majors
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:13     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:You are admitted into a particular college at U of M. It will not be easy to change majors to something within another college of the university.


Not true. A few select programs are hard transfers, most are not.