Anonymous wrote:Bad look for ND. Meltdown in the cereal aisle.

It is entertaining, though. And the more ND does it, the more that non-ND fans laugh at them.

Some thoughts, in no particular order:

- As a fan of college football, and a team that isn't in this conversation after a disastrous season, I really can't get worked up about this. We are talking about 2 or 3 loss teams. There are arguments for all of them to make it, and all of them to be left out. Partisans will naturally feel like their teams have the best cases, but there is no objectively right or wrong answer. And remember, if any of them had won more games, they woudn't be in this situation.

- I like the inclusion of the non-power conference teams. No, they likely they won't win, but they won their conferences, and it's the championship of the entire FBS. If the choice is between letting in teams like Tulane and JMU or making room for another 2 or 3 loss power conference team, I'd rather see the non-power conference teams. And who knows, every decade or so maybe we get a UMBC, or a George Mason, or a Univ. of Richmond.

- Notre Dame wants to stay independent, and enjoys the benefits of that status, including the (significant) financial benefits. Fine, but this is the other side of that coin. In a tiebreaker, maybe they lose to a team with a conference behind it. Gotta take the good with the bad.

Duke has more reason to complain than ND.

^They shafted Duke by putting in JMU and Miami.

Michigan is getting used to reality their future chances of getting into CFP are minimal. Harbaugh knew it and as an alum, left asap. No consistency in football selection. In basketball any school even those with sub .500 records if they win the Conference Championship get the automatic bid to NCAA dance. Duke got screwed and why Miami? Put in Ga Tech or SMU, which beat Miami. Look at the contrast between academic reputations and wealth if Duke and ND versus those of Miami, Bama, and JMU. Doubt many of the selection committee members graduated from a top 20 undergraduate school.

Anonymous wrote:Bravo for ND-they don’t need a participation trophy like Michigan our Texas. Miami should not be in CFP they lost 2 ACC games. As in basketball, Duke should have qualified as ACC champs. Also Bama got smoked. At what score in that rout by UGa would committee exclude them 35-0 or 28-0 and they struggled against weak Auburn team. Not a ND fan but admire their stand and Duke should be furious also.

But if conference record is important to the CFP then ND should never be in the CFP because they don't play in a conference and cherry pick their opponents. Unlike every other team you mention, ND is not required to play a single tough team all season, and they will selectively pick a couple ranked teams they think they can beat (this year they front loaded them and lost both games, oops).

I would have been fine with Duke getting a spot but since conference record is not even a factor (and can't be, because of ND) I see why Miami got a spot instead.

OPT OUT LIKE A CHAMPION TODAY

Notre Shame

Anonymous wrote:This is very "I'm taking my ball and going home behavior"

Just because you write your own schedule doesn't mean you can predict the playoffs.

ND should have been in, but they were on the bubble the whole time and it was never guaranteed. You want to keep decision out of the committees hands, you join a conference and win it.

If all you care about is winning the National title, there are plenty of "it doesn't matter" games. The Pop Tart bowl would be one, but Indiana played a game on Saturday that didn't matter one bit as far as the national title goes, and it was thrilling. It's what college sports are all about.

This. We are not talking about a group of teams where ND is the clearly superior team and everyone else is much worse. It was close. These teams are fairly comparable, as comparable as college football teams who do not play in the same conference (or any conference) can be.

ND is mad that they didn't get that little extra "ND boost" they sometimes get. You know, the boost that led to a 12-team CFP in the first place. The little, often unspoken, but assumed belief that ND "deserves" to be among the best teams in college football because, you know, it's Notre Dame. Its brand is college football. That's why they have the sweet TV deal and the sweet sponsorship deals.

But instead the CFP ignored that factor and just evaluated the best they could based on merit on the football field. This year for these teams, not based on some historical belief about the strength of the football programs. And this year, Miami beat ND and they had the same record. This year, Alabama beat Georgia and Vandy and had to play a much tougher schedule than ND. It was subjective, and that sucks because sports shouldn't be subjective but the CFP is always somewhat subjective, but there is a strong reason why Miami and Alabama deserved spots over ND. Unless you just instinctually believe ND always belongs in the CFP, which is how many ND boosters feel. Only then does it feel "unfair".

Anonymous wrote:Bravo for ND-they don’t need a participation trophy like Michigan our Texas. Miami should not be in CFP they lost 2 ACC games. As in basketball, Duke should have qualified as ACC champs. Also Bama got smoked. At what score in that rout by UGa would committee exclude them 35-0 or 28-0 and they struggled against weak Auburn team. Not a ND fan but admire their stand and Duke should be furious also.

Texas and Michigan aren't being babies about their standings at the end of the regular season. ND's response is disgraceful.

Bravo for ND-they don’t need a participation trophy like Michigan our Texas. Miami should not be in CFP they lost 2 ACC games. As in basketball, Duke should have qualified as ACC champs. Also Bama got smoked. At what score in that rout by UGa would committee exclude them 35-0 or 28-0 and they struggled against weak Auburn team. Not a ND fan but admire their stand and Duke should be furious also.

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Anonymous wrote:The ND athletic director is the one acting like an entitled child.

I really wish that the Notre Dame football team, players, coaches, and staff had the courage and class to face a daunting BYU team in a post season bowl game. But, when the going gets tough, Notre Dame's football team and it's athletic director show us what they're made of (i.e. childish cowardice).

Maybe Notre Dame will show some class and decency and drop its football program for producing such a cowardly, entitled ethos.

Ah, ok, now I get it. You're just a troll. You're not here for a serious discussion.

Wrong again. Unless you call you're constant name-calling and belittling of others' posts "serious discussion."

I am a long time fan of Notre Dame football, but despise childish behavior and cowardice.

Yes, ND would probably lose to BYU in a bowl game this year based on ND football's reaction to failing to make the 12 team cut for the CFP. Seems like ND football has grossly overestimated its value to the current college football environment. ND football is becoming irrelevant--even justifiably so based on its reaction to the CFP results. Notre Shame.

No legit ND fan would write this crap.

Well, you're wrong again. I am a Notre Dame football fan, but I also detest childish behavior & cowardice.

You keep bragging about ND football's great class of recruits. Fine,. I agree. But, I wonder why,based on ND football's weak schedule, why ND football needs this caliber of football recruits.

Times have changed regarding college football and change is still occurring. Let Notre Dame football engage in its chest thumping boisterous stance about being independent. Well, maybe Notre Dame football is too good for the SEC, too good for the Big Ten, too good for the ACC, too good for the Big 12, and too good to be evaluated before being offered a CFP slot. If ND football is too handsome for every girl in town, then don't go to the prom (and then cry about it in public).

Notre Shame needs a new athletic director. Get someone with some guts, courage, and integrity.

You have serious issues. You are hovering over this thread waiting to jump in and pounce on every post with the same tired and over the top response. You're clearly not an ND fan. You're clearly not even, well, normal. You're a troll.

Well, I stayed at the Morriss Inn on Notre Dame's campus. And I have watched ND football for many decades. Regardless, Notre Dame football and its AD should be ashamed of their reaction to not making the cut for the CFP. U Miami & U Alabama are legitimate CFP teams, and Notre Dame would have been invited if the CFP had more than 12 teams.

Sorry that I don't meet your standard for being a fan of Notre Dame football, but ND football thinks that it is above the rest of the teams and conferences in the country and cannot understand or deal with, rejection by a playoff system that ND's athletic director helped create. Seems pretty childish to me. Maybe the ND AD can do a better job of rigging the CFP system system so that ND football's macho independence will have some positive meaning beyond greed and an inflated sense of self-importance.

LOL this latest response just confirms my assessment of you. You're a broken record.

Maybe yes, maybe no. What I do sense is that you reflect the childish behavior of ND football and its AD by engaging in name calling and pouting.

If you really want to help improve ND football, then consider modifying your responses to something more reasonable and dignified. You are a true believer of ND football and its hype machine. Would be better to understand that ND football is not the center of the college football scene. There are dozens of great college football teams in the country. The ND macho aura of independence may do more harm to ND football in the future as change is here and still evolving with much less tolerance of self-idolizing independents. Better to be macho on the football field against a high quality opponent than to sit at home crying & bragging about perceived injustice to the greatest football program on earth.

LOL there you go again! So issuerific!

In order to argue effectively, you need to appreciate that there is more than one point of view.

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Anonymous wrote:The ND athletic director is the one acting like an entitled child.

I really wish that the Notre Dame football team, players, coaches, and staff had the courage and class to face a daunting BYU team in a post season bowl game. But, when the going gets tough, Notre Dame's football team and it's athletic director show us what they're made of (i.e. childish cowardice).

Maybe Notre Dame will show some class and decency and drop its football program for producing such a cowardly, entitled ethos.

Ah, ok, now I get it. You're just a troll. You're not here for a serious discussion.

Wrong again. Unless you call you're constant name-calling and belittling of others' posts "serious discussion."

I am a long time fan of Notre Dame football, but despise childish behavior and cowardice.

Yes, ND would probably lose to BYU in a bowl game this year based on ND football's reaction to failing to make the 12 team cut for the CFP. Seems like ND football has grossly overestimated its value to the current college football environment. ND football is becoming irrelevant--even justifiably so based on its reaction to the CFP results. Notre Shame.

No legit ND fan would write this crap.

Well, you're wrong again. I am a Notre Dame football fan, but I also detest childish behavior & cowardice.

You keep bragging about ND football's great class of recruits. Fine,. I agree. But, I wonder why,based on ND football's weak schedule, why ND football needs this caliber of football recruits.

Times have changed regarding college football and change is still occurring. Let Notre Dame football engage in its chest thumping boisterous stance about being independent. Well, maybe Notre Dame football is too good for the SEC, too good for the Big Ten, too good for the ACC, too good for the Big 12, and too good to be evaluated before being offered a CFP slot. If ND football is too handsome for every girl in town, then don't go to the prom (and then cry about it in public).

Notre Shame needs a new athletic director. Get someone with some guts, courage, and integrity.

You have serious issues. You are hovering over this thread waiting to jump in and pounce on every post with the same tired and over the top response. You're clearly not an ND fan. You're clearly not even, well, normal. You're a troll.

Well, I stayed at the Morriss Inn on Notre Dame's campus. And I have watched ND football for many decades. Regardless, Notre Dame football and its AD should be ashamed of their reaction to not making the cut for the CFP. U Miami & U Alabama are legitimate CFP teams, and Notre Dame would have been invited if the CFP had more than 12 teams.

Sorry that I don't meet your standard for being a fan of Notre Dame football, but ND football thinks that it is above the rest of the teams and conferences in the country and cannot understand or deal with, rejection by a playoff system that ND's athletic director helped create. Seems pretty childish to me. Maybe the ND AD can do a better job of rigging the CFP system system so that ND football's macho independence will have some positive meaning beyond greed and an inflated sense of self-importance.

LOL this latest response just confirms my assessment of you. You're a broken record.

Maybe yes, maybe no. What I do sense is that you reflect the childish behavior of ND football and its AD by engaging in name calling and pouting.

If you really want to help improve ND football, then consider modifying your responses to something more reasonable and dignified. You are a true believer of ND football and its hype machine. Would be better to understand that ND football is not the center of the college football scene. There are dozens of great college football teams in the country. The ND macho aura of independence may do more harm to ND football in the future as change is here and still evolving with much less tolerance of self-idolizing independents. Better to be macho on the football field against a high quality opponent than to sit at home crying & bragging about perceived injustice to the greatest football program on earth.

LOL there you go again! So issuerific!

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Anonymous wrote:The ND athletic director is the one acting like an entitled child.

I really wish that the Notre Dame football team, players, coaches, and staff had the courage and class to face a daunting BYU team in a post season bowl game. But, when the going gets tough, Notre Dame's football team and it's athletic director show us what they're made of (i.e. childish cowardice).

Maybe Notre Dame will show some class and decency and drop its football program for producing such a cowardly, entitled ethos.

Ah, ok, now I get it. You're just a troll. You're not here for a serious discussion.

Wrong again. Unless you call you're constant name-calling and belittling of others' posts "serious discussion."

I am a long time fan of Notre Dame football, but despise childish behavior and cowardice.

Yes, ND would probably lose to BYU in a bowl game this year based on ND football's reaction to failing to make the 12 team cut for the CFP. Seems like ND football has grossly overestimated its value to the current college football environment. ND football is becoming irrelevant--even justifiably so based on its reaction to the CFP results. Notre Shame.

No legit ND fan would write this crap.

Well, you're wrong again. I am a Notre Dame football fan, but I also detest childish behavior & cowardice.

You keep bragging about ND football's great class of recruits. Fine,. I agree. But, I wonder why,based on ND football's weak schedule, why ND football needs this caliber of football recruits.

Times have changed regarding college football and change is still occurring. Let Notre Dame football engage in its chest thumping boisterous stance about being independent. Well, maybe Notre Dame football is too good for the SEC, too good for the Big Ten, too good for the ACC, too good for the Big 12, and too good to be evaluated before being offered a CFP slot. If ND football is too handsome for every girl in town, then don't go to the prom (and then cry about it in public).

Notre Shame needs a new athletic director. Get someone with some guts, courage, and integrity.

You have serious issues. You are hovering over this thread waiting to jump in and pounce on every post with the same tired and over the top response. You're clearly not an ND fan. You're clearly not even, well, normal. You're a troll.

Well, I stayed at the Morriss Inn on Notre Dame's campus. And I have watched ND football for many decades. Regardless, Notre Dame football and its AD should be ashamed of their reaction to not making the cut for the CFP. U Miami & U Alabama are legitimate CFP teams, and Notre Dame would have been invited if the CFP had more than 12 teams.

Sorry that I don't meet your standard for being a fan of Notre Dame football, but ND football thinks that it is above the rest of the teams and conferences in the country and cannot understand or deal with, rejection by a playoff system that ND's athletic director helped create. Seems pretty childish to me. Maybe the ND AD can do a better job of rigging the CFP system system so that ND football's macho independence will have some positive meaning beyond greed and an inflated sense of self-importance.

LOL this latest response just confirms my assessment of you. You're a broken record.

Maybe yes, maybe no. What I do sense is that you reflect the childish behavior of ND football and its AD by engaging in name calling and pouting.

If you really want to help improve ND football, then consider modifying your responses to something more reasonable and dignified. You are a true believer of ND football and its hype machine. Would be better to understand that ND football is not the center of the college football scene. There are dozens of great college football teams in the country. The ND macho aura of independence may do more harm to ND football in the future as change is here and still evolving with much less tolerance of self-idolizing independents. Better to be macho on the football field against a high quality opponent than to sit at home crying & bragging about perceived injustice to the greatest football program on earth.

BYU would have beaten ND.

ND not playing is taking away another team's opportunity.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at Notre Dame becoming irrelevant.

They just signed a consensus top 3 incoming class, their best in a decade or more. They're not going anywhere.

Love them or hate them, they got screwed this year.

Notre Dame football is irrelevant. (Just wait for the decommits.)

Notre Dame football is too good for the Big Ten Conference, too good for the SEC, too good for the ACC, not good enough for the CFP, and too good to lower themselves to play in a non-CFP bowl game this year. And not good enough for the NFL. Tough spot.

Lol they’re the only top school that had zero decommits on early signing day. You really are clueless.

Haters coming out of the woodwork lol. ND living in people's heads rent free...it is so fun to watch. If the were so irrelevant, why is there disscussion all over social media about this? Even on the college forum that hates to discuss football. LOL

Because people are responding to the incessant whining of boosters and )incredibly) the coach and AD. This isn't, or shouldn't be, hard to understand.

Agree 100%.