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Anonymous wrote:You can't add morality to eating meat. It's the arrogance of humanity. Animals have been eating other animals since the beginning of time. The livestock species now literally wouldn't exist if humans hadn't cultivated them long ago. Next you're going to ask whether humans should have animals as pets.

No but you CAN have ethics about raising livestock and that is a major problem in our culture. We treat animals very badly. That is wrong. Anything short of hunting wild animals is unethical using the natural right justification.

Yet hunters are villianized by the left.

I'm part of "the left" and I hunt and I'm far from the only one. Maybe you need to actually spend some time with "the left", lil buddy.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I don’t justify meat. I cook it, chew it, and savor it.

How do you justify exhaling when your secular church says CO2 is an emergency? You don’t justify it. You inhale, exhale, and repeat.

In order for us to live, something else must die.

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Anonymous wrote:Does "someone" include the mouse in your kitchen, the fruit flies when you let the bananas and peaches go bad? Is it ok to kill them?

Plants have been found to have a form of memory and communicate with each other as well as with other organisms through chemical signals. How do you know they do not have some form of consciousness? Is it more unethical to eat a pig than a chicken (considering a chicken has been known to survive well over a year with its head cut off, and even then didn't die from having its head cut off)? How about octopus (which has neurons in its arms)? Where do chocolate covered ants come into this picture?

Plants suffer more than animals do, yet I don't understand why the ethical watchdogs aren't more upset about it.

Lol, the "ethical watchdogs" are ok with Trump and Bidens being POTUS of the most powerful country in the world but they're concerned with people eating meat and plants??? Make this make sense. Too many idiots in this world.

Anonymous wrote:Does "someone" include the mouse in your kitchen, the fruit flies when you let the bananas and peaches go bad? Is it ok to kill them?

Plants have been found to have a form of memory and communicate with each other as well as with other organisms through chemical signals. How do you know they do not have some form of consciousness? Is it more unethical to eat a pig than a chicken (considering a chicken has been known to survive well over a year with its head cut off, and even then didn't die from having its head cut off)? How about octopus (which has neurons in its arms)? Where do chocolate covered ants come into this picture?

Plants suffer more than animals do, yet I don't understand why the ethical watchdogs aren't more upset about it.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I had a hamburger tonight and it was delicious.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I’m likely the most progressive, farthest-left person on this entire forum, and I eat meat and fish.

Because I understand biology. Humans are omnivores. That’s not subject to argument. We have molar teeth for crushing plant and vegetable material, and we have incisor and canine teeth for biting and tearing flesh. We are dependent on large intake of animal protein and fat when young to achieve proper brain development. This is one thing that distinguishes us from the other high order primates, where fat and protein intake in young comes only from milk and stops at weaning.


Remove emotion. Remove whatever morality you think you have to abide by. Only consider the science. And the science tells us we should be omnivores. And science is truth.

Shame on you! You sound like MAGA.

Does "someone" include the mouse in your kitchen, the fruit flies when you let the bananas and peaches go bad? Is it ok to kill them?

Plants have been found to have a form of memory and communicate with each other as well as with other organisms through chemical signals. How do you know they do not have some form of consciousness? Is it more unethical to eat a pig than a chicken (considering a chicken has been known to survive well over a year with its head cut off, and even then didn't die from having its head cut off)? How about octopus (which has neurons in its arms)? Where do chocolate covered ants come into this picture?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t. Because it not optimal and is inflammatory. Plant proteins are better sources. It’s a personal choice, though, I don’t care if others want to.

The volume of food you must eat to get 145g of protein (which is the amount recommended for someone my age, height, and weight) on a plant based diet is too much. I can’t eat that much. It’s easier to hit recommended protein goals with lean meats.

Americans are obsessed with protein. They’re not one with cholesterol or heart health, unfortunately.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/is-plant-based-protein-for-you-heres-what-you-need-to-know

You weigh 362.5 pounds???

.36 g per pound of body weight, possibly more (but research is not conclusive) for people over 70

Easy to do with grain and beans. You do not have to eat 20 pounds of broccoli.

A vegan diet isn't necessarily more ethical than a carnivore diet. Stop deceiving yourselves.

Anonymous wrote:1. I am not convinced that a vegan diet full of highly processed, packaged, and/or imported from other parts of the world and bought at Whole Foods is nutritionally or environmentally more sound than a normal omnivore diet. The meat I buy is produced locally and is minimally processed. Some of the vegans I know eat so much super processed garbage. Plus there are some things (B vitamins?) you can’t even get in normal foods so they have to supplement.

2. My kids enjoy and thrive on meat. We are a multicultural family and we cook everything, bibimbap to barbacoa! I have cooked real foods for them since they were little and they eat all sorts of dishes and vegetables, meat, and full-fat dairy. They are teens now and healthy, lean, athletic, and unmedicated and I don’t think it’s just a coincidence. Kids need animal foods and satiating fats.

3. You don’t need to eat lots of meat to get the benefits of meat. You also don’t need fancy cuts. Learn to cook. So many people spending money on processed garbage and restaurants would be healthier and richer if they learned to cook.

Ding ding ding we've got a winner. I'm an omnivoritarian. I feel strongly about eating high quality vegetables and meats. Like both at the same time on my pizza!

I literally hate the vegetarian/meat debate. I hate having to choose, between the meat lovers and the vegetarian pizzas at literally every pizza place.

It’s not political. It’s a choice. Enjoy your veggies.

Factory farming and slaughterhouses are an issue but if you go farm to table,
Meat has its benefits

1. I am not convinced that a vegan diet full of highly processed, packaged, and/or imported from other parts of the world and bought at Whole Foods is nutritionally or environmentally more sound than a normal omnivore diet. The meat I buy is produced locally and is minimally processed. Some of the vegans I know eat so much super processed garbage. Plus there are some things (B vitamins?) you can’t even get in normal foods so they have to supplement.

2. My kids enjoy and thrive on meat. We are a multicultural family and we cook everything, bibimbap to barbacoa! I have cooked real foods for them since they were little and they eat all sorts of dishes and vegetables, meat, and full-fat dairy. They are teens now and healthy, lean, athletic, and unmedicated and I don’t think it’s just a coincidence. Kids need animal foods and satiating fats.

3. You don’t need to eat lots of meat to get the benefits of meat. You also don’t need fancy cuts. Learn to cook. So many people spending money on processed garbage and restaurants would be healthier and richer if they learned to cook.

If everyone stopped consuming meat today, what would happen to all of the chickens, turkeys, pigs, cattle, and other animals that are currently raised and slaughtered for food? Farmers and ranchers couldn’t afford to keep feeding and caring for them. Lots of people would lose their jobs — not just farmers and ranchers, but everyone involved in the meat supply chain. Are there currently enough plant based proteins in distribution for everyone to make the change simultaneously? We’d need to phase meat consumption out slowly.

I’m not sure there’s any ethical justification for our continued heavy consumption of meat, but eating meat definitely played a significant role in human evolution and our corresponding increase in brain size, so once upon a time, it was very beneficial and therefore, we evolved eating meat. As a diabetic, I appreciate meat as a low carb food option.