Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, not buying it. There were several big men on that train. They could have jumped him so others could have helped her. He didn’t have a gun.

This reminded me of the killing on the red line a few years ago, midday, 4th of July. That killer was even smaller, yet none of the large men present acted. Someone died then, too.

Exactly. Is this is how we’re going to react now as a society we are truly lost.

Anonymous wrote:One thing I don’t understand from watching the video is how calm everybody else was. They have zero reactions. Did they not realize what happened?

one guy reacted (by making a video of her bleeding to death, so he could later post it to TikTok)

One thing I don’t understand from watching the video is how calm everybody else was. They have zero reactions. Did they not realize what happened?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why this is turning political. I think we can all agree this man should have been in jail before it came to this. He had just attacked his own sister!

Violent people belong in jail. Full stop.

+1

It is political because of OPs original post

Bottom line is violence in this country is committed by white Christian males so is child sexual abuse .

Until Republicans are out of office this is only going to get worse

From them changing DV laws , divorce laws , and red states DOJ g things like Tennessee new marry little kids bill the violence will get worse.

When you pardon people like the Jan 6 th people violence becomes the norm.

Again OP started this thread as a political gas light fear mongering issue.

See folks? The PP’s post is clear evidence that deluded, severely mentally ill, people are not only on public transportation, they are posting their crazy conspiracy theories and misrepresentations, right here on DCUM.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:There is a poster or posters who keeps saying that the attacker can be heard on the video making a racially-charged statement. The videos that I have seen do not have sound. Therefore, I have been removing these posts. If there is another video of which I am not aware, please post a link to it.

I do not have unlimited time to monitor this thread for posts containing misinformation or racist sentiments. Therefore, if the thread becomes too much trouble, it will be locked or deleted.

The actual videos I’ve watched do have sound

https://news.meaww.com/new-clip-shows-decarlos-brown-jr-admit-attacking-iryna-zarutska-i-got-that-white-girl

https://www.aol.com/news/got-white-girl-charlotte-train-164024330.html

Okay, thanks. I hadn't seen that video (it is the same one in both links). I am not sure that I hear what he is claimed to have said and what he is claimed to have said is slightly different than the statement that I deleted. Also, while that statement explains what he did, it does not explain why he did it, which is the other allegation that I have removed.

Plus: if he’s severely mentally ill, does it even matter?

I mean: let’s focus on the bigger issue here: severe mental illness.

And, as someone already pointed, severe mental illness commonly coincides with homelessness.

Jeff can tell you we rarely agree, but i tend to think in this case, the ramblings of a madman (a homicidal mad man) are not the main issue here.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People don’t help because they don’t want to be the next victim. In Portland a madman was harassing a couple of Muslim girls on a train during rush hour and three men stepped in to help. Only one of them lived to tell about, and he was nearly a third victim. All had their throats slashed. To add insult to injury, homeless people stole one of the dead men’s wedding ring off his hand and his backpack. It’s gobsmacking that could even happen, but it did. And violence continues on transit in Portland. They weren’t the last to die.

But in the video I have seen, it looks like he attacks her, gets up and leaves the train. Literally right after he does it. There is no struggles, he isn’t lingering or hanging around. So wouldn’t the threat be over?

The other people just sitting there (esp the woman across the aisle who looks DIRECTLY at the victim, eventually get up and leave too. It’s horrific. No one needed to get in a knife fight to even check on her as she slumps over and falls to the floor. WTAF?!

They do look indifferent, but they are not necessarily truly indifferent. We see the killer walk outside the frame of the camera, but I haven't read if he immediately got off, or was standing at a nearby door for example. I would not expect anyone to "jump" the killer - it already happened at that point. What matters is what they did when the threat was truly gone. Did they call the police, 911? Did anyone go to her? Did they pull the breaks, etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why this is turning political. I think we can all agree this man should have been in jail before it came to this. He had just attacked his own sister!

Violent people belong in jail. Full stop.

+1

It is political because of OPs original post

Bottom line is violence in this country is committed by white Christian males so is child sexual abuse .

Until Republicans are out of office this is only going to get worse

From them changing DV laws , divorce laws , and red states DOJ g things like Tennessee new marry little kids bill the violence will get worse.

When you pardon people like the Jan 6 th people violence becomes the norm.

Again OP started this thread as a political gas light fear mongering issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why this is turning political. I think we can all agree this man should have been in jail before it came to this. He had just attacked his own sister!

Violent people belong in jail. Full stop.

+1

Tell that to the Trump administration

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:There is a poster or posters who keeps saying that the attacker can be heard on the video making a racially-charged statement. The videos that I have seen do not have sound. Therefore, I have been removing these posts. If there is another video of which I am not aware, please post a link to it.

I do not have unlimited time to monitor this thread for posts containing misinformation or racist sentiments. Therefore, if the thread becomes too much trouble, it will be locked or deleted.

The actual videos I’ve watched do have sound

https://news.meaww.com/new-clip-shows-decarlos-brown-jr-admit-attacking-iryna-zarutska-i-got-that-white-girl

https://www.aol.com/news/got-white-girl-charlotte-train-164024330.html

Okay, thanks. I hadn't seen that video (it is the same one in both links). I am not sure that I hear what he is claimed to have said and what he is claimed to have said is slightly different than the statement that I deleted. Also, while that statement explains what he did, it does not explain why he did it, which is the other allegation that I have removed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would the National Guard have prevented this, OP?

Not OP but if National Guard was on that train I guarantee this would never have happened.

You could not possibly guarantee that.

But is your plan now to deploy the military to public transportation?

If cities won't do more on their own, then yes.

But be fair about it - make all cities safe! Last time I checked NC is a red state and there are plenty of unsafe downtowns in very red states.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame the others on the train - I’d be sacred out of my mind in this situation.

The more important question is why was this career criminal allowed to walk the streets?

He’s homeless and like many homeless people, likely has serious mental illness. . . . we need better mental health access in this country . . . Well, the same applies here.

I agree completely. This was obviously a severely (dangerously) mentally ill person (and a repeat offender).

We need to make the commitment to bring back mental health hospitals on the scale of other developed countries (EU, Japan, etc). as we once had here, but we foolishly eliminated in the 1950s through the 1980s.

The movement to eliminate these crucial mental-health facilities was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums”).

Problem was: we, as a society, replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.



Wiki has relevant background information on de institutionalization at this link:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalisation

Anonymous wrote:Not sure why this is turning political. I think we can all agree this man should have been in jail before it came to this. He had just attacked his own sister!

Violent people belong in jail. Full stop.

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame the others on the train - I’d be sacred out of my mind in this situation.

The more important question is why was this career criminal allowed to walk the streets?

And why mental health care is being reduced not bolstered. This murderer was clearly insane. The national guard can’t fix the mental health crisis.

They can help rounding them up though. Many of the homeless people are clearly insane and will become violent (physically and/or verbally) if you even look at them the wrong way. Do you think these people are going to seek treatment on their own?

They do not seek care on their own. And it is not enough that mental health comes by and checks in with them from time to time. Many do need to be institutionalized.
Even people who actively seek care and are engaged, there are not enough mental health beds and hospitals available! Not even close! For all the talk about mental health for the last 20 years we have gotten nowhere! Waiting lists are longer than ever for anything outpatient, even if you want to pay out of pocket! Wait times for inpatient are as long as ever!
Absolutely nothing has improved in the last 20 years, regardless of who is president and who is in Congress!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Deafening silence" LOL, sure.

This. The incident has been widely reported. The man was arrested quickly and is held pending trial. Other media reports that people rushed to the victim.

It was an awful crime, but your news source is laughably bad.

Actually there is video that no one helped for a considerable time after the killer walked away. Finally people from the other end of the car did but she bled out.

+1 One woman just turned her head and looked away with indifference.

Everyone thinks they would 'do' something but, it is really easy to be an armchair quarterback. You are safe at home and you have no idea how you would have reacted so stop judging so harshly

I am not going to be paying his family for a lifetime of lost wages.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame the others on the train - I’d be sacred out of my mind in this situation.

The more important question is why was this career criminal allowed to walk the streets?

And did he pay for the ride? This may sound silly in context but many cities in the world have systems that make fare jumping impossible, and it keeps people off the trains and platforms who only cause trouble.


To the second note: I would like to know what happened next! They must have called help, because the killer was arrested very quickly? How do we know that nobody came to her aid at all? When he left that's when things needed to happen quickly; pull emergency brake in train, help try stop the bleeding, call police and EMS etc.

He did not pay for the ride, and Charlotte doesn't have enough employees working to check riders or protect them.

So then install fare gates that cannot be jumped, like in other (non-US) cities.