Anonymous wrote:From yesterday, WF responded to Jones’ surreply (filed without leave of the Court) on attorney) fees. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.705.0.pdf

Many solid legal arguments here, but perhaps most noteworthy to this thread, the text excerpt at least one Blake supporter here was claiming to be new and a game changer wasn’t new at all and was in fact cited by Jones in her previous filings.

Bumping.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.

I generally agree with this. Swift has every right to be angry that her name was used in that way and that Lively and her lawyers threatened her (if that's true). I don't think a) Swift being angry at Lively means Swift doesn't believe Lively's allegations and b) that it matters at all whether she believes Lively. It's on Lively to prove those allegations, Swift wasn't on set and has no knowledge whether Baldoni and Heath SHed Lively and certainly no knowledge of whatever TAG and Wallace did (if they did anything).

And I just really doubt Swift would sit around reading Baldoni's website with his legal complaint. I guess she has people who monitor such things and report the gist? I imagine the online chatter about how it was received would be more important to Swift than the actual lawsuit info.

Come on, if she believed her friend was SH and retaliated against she would not be acting this way. Taylor is the queen of girls girls, whether it’s true or a perception, that’s how she is known so it definitely stands out that she has been silent from the beginning.

The shutting out of Blake happened well before the Superbowl. It’s just pretty clear Taylor doesn’t either buy it or thinks that Blake had enough problematic behavior on set and with Justin that this was going to get messy. She wanted to stay out of it from the beginning for a reason.

No one is saying Taylor sat and read the website. But you don’t think her name being in the website is going to get back to her instantly? Of course she has people monitoring this kind of thing and of course they told her. And of course she’d be pissed about it. She probably knows her friends and Blake use her for clout on occasion but to see it laid out so directly, actually implying that Taylor would be a threat if JB didn’t comply with Blake, is a whole other level.

PP - Yeah, what I'm saying is I agree she has people who monitor and report back on stuff like mentions of her name in the suit, or just generally "the internet is trending against Blake/for Baldoni." But I don't think it gets to the level of detail of "oh, Baldoni has all these texts contradicting X, Y, and Z from her complaint that rebut her harassment allegations." So I don't think her attitude is a reflection on whether she believes Lively or knows anything about how Lively acted on set.

You are delusional. No one, even Taylor Swift, has no opinion on a close friend who is alleging sexual harassment in a major case.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.

I generally agree with this. Swift has every right to be angry that her name was used in that way and that Lively and her lawyers threatened her (if that's true). I don't think a) Swift being angry at Lively means Swift doesn't believe Lively's allegations and b) that it matters at all whether she believes Lively. It's on Lively to prove those allegations, Swift wasn't on set and has no knowledge whether Baldoni and Heath SHed Lively and certainly no knowledge of whatever TAG and Wallace did (if they did anything).

And I just really doubt Swift would sit around reading Baldoni's website with his legal complaint. I guess she has people who monitor such things and report the gist? I imagine the online chatter about how it was received would be more important to Swift than the actual lawsuit info.

Come on, if she believed her friend was SH and retaliated against she would not be acting this way. Taylor is the queen of girls girls, whether it’s true or a perception, that’s how she is known so it definitely stands out that she has been silent from the beginning.

The shutting out of Blake happened well before the Superbowl. It’s just pretty clear Taylor doesn’t either buy it or thinks that Blake had enough problematic behavior on set and with Justin that this was going to get messy. She wanted to stay out of it from the beginning for a reason.

No one is saying Taylor sat and read the website. But you don’t think her name being in the website is going to get back to her instantly? Of course she has people monitoring this kind of thing and of course they told her. And of course she’d be pissed about it. She probably knows her friends and Blake use her for clout on occasion but to see it laid out so directly, actually implying that Taylor would be a threat if JB didn’t comply with Blake, is a whole other level.

PP - Yeah, what I'm saying is I agree she has people who monitor and report back on stuff like mentions of her name in the suit, or just generally "the internet is trending against Blake/for Baldoni." But I don't think it gets to the level of detail of "oh, Baldoni has all these texts contradicting X, Y, and Z from her complaint that rebut her harassment allegations." So I don't think her attitude is a reflection on whether she believes Lively or knows anything about how Lively acted on set.

I don’t think it had anything to do with how the Internet was trending. This thing was messy from the very start and Taylor wanted to stay away from it.

Of course her attitude toward Blake has to do with whether she believes her. You just think it’s a coincidence that she ended the friendship around this time?

But really, it doesn’t matter. People love Taylor, and Taylor didn’t just let the friendship lapse. She very publicly ended it. It’s the breadcrumbs that she loves. Travis unfollowing Ryan. The public statement that she put out with just the twist of the knife that she didn’t even see the movie until months later and no acknowledgement that although she has no involvement she is proud of her friend.

Would have been very easy to do that. Not just not being seen with Blake, but excluding her from group parties that she used to be invited to.

Like I said, it truly doesn’t matter why. It’s interesting to me that the last outing with Taylor was a double date with Ryan and Blake. It could’ve just been that Travis opened her eyes to things that her other friends were trying to tell her for years, which is that Blake is problematic and he’s clued into what the rest of the world is seeing, that Ryan has turned into an ass. Maybe it has nothing to do with the lawsuit. The point is she’s publicly not supporting her and she has turned against her. People are going to see Blake as the problem and think Blake did something whether it was this lawsuit or something else. It’s a problem for Blake either way when she’s trying to save instagram followers, sell products, and star in movies.

The lawsuit was one thing, but now Blake and Ryan have created this whole other monster with how they’ve responded to bad press and backlash in the last year. It has shown their true colors and it’s costing them fans, even fancy probably didn’t care about this lawsuit. Ryan doing that weird thing where Deadpool fans flooded him with all the same poster they wanted to sign and the public seeing through it. Him being so cocky and making crude jokes on set that Robert Downey Jr. was like I’ve had enough and now they’re in a public feud.

Showing up to SNL 50 when they didn’t belong there and having 100 articles come out about how awkward it was. And possibly going to Taylor with such desperation after the superbowl snub they pushed her even further away.

At this point it’s mattering less and less what happened on that set and around the lawsuit. The lawsuit exposed cracks in the foundation and they are spinning out of control.

Liman has ordered Skyline, and now Case and Koslow, to submit their supposedly attorney/client privileged for in camera review.

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Anonymous wrote:New unsealed pages from Blake's depo: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.649.3.pdf

I only read the first page but everyone's favorite lawyer comes off as a huge d-bag.

Did folks look at pages 7-8 of this? I think this means that Bryan Freedman didn't pull out a single exhibit or video to question Lively about during his entire 6+ hour direct exam of her. I find that a little strange bordering on malpractice. The first exhibit doesn't come in until page 240, well after most of the deposition is over, and is introduced by Charles Babcock.

Seems bad to me, but Baldoni supporters seem to love them some Freedman so I guess they will continue to ride for him here. If true, I'm also shocked Freedman would have *wanted* to enter the deposition into the public record, lol. Just goes to show that Freedman continues even now to try to put items into the record (like his Complaint's Exhibit A) that actively hurt instead of help his clients.

I guess he wasn't kidding when he said he'd be ready to take her depo anytime, anywhere, without documents (and in my view, BS his way through). It's that type. I can't stand it, but others seem to enjoy it. He'd be a very entertaining TV character for sure.

Talk about BSing, he also didn't appear to know what FCRP 32(d)(3) was (the federal rule about preserving objections) and so had to run a bluff with Hudson about how he needed to check with his cocounsel BUT STILL FULLY EXPECTED TO START THE DEP WITH NO AGREEMENT IN PLACE putting Hudson in the weird position of not knowing what she needed to object to lol. He is such a tool.

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Anonymous wrote:New unsealed pages from Blake's depo: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.649.3.pdf

I only read the first page but everyone's favorite lawyer comes off as a huge d-bag.

Did folks look at pages 7-8 of this? I think this means that Bryan Freedman didn't pull out a single exhibit or video to question Lively about during his entire 6+ hour direct exam of her. I find that a little strange bordering on malpractice. The first exhibit doesn't come in until page 240, well after most of the deposition is over, and is introduced by Charles Babcock.

Seems bad to me, but Baldoni supporters seem to love them some Freedman so I guess they will continue to ride for him here. If true, I'm also shocked Freedman would have *wanted* to enter the deposition into the public record, lol. Just goes to show that Freedman continues even now to try to put items into the record (like his Complaint's Exhibit A) that actively hurt instead of help his clients.

I guess he wasn't kidding when he said he'd be ready to take her depo anytime, anywhere, without documents (and in my view, BS his way through). It's that type. I can't stand it, but others seem to enjoy it. He'd be a very entertaining TV character for sure.

Anonymous wrote:New unsealed pages from Blake's depo: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.649.3.pdf

I only read the first page but everyone's favorite lawyer comes off as a huge d-bag.

Did folks look at pages 7-8 of this? I think this means that Bryan Freedman didn't pull out a single exhibit or video to question Lively about during his entire 6+ hour direct exam of her. I find that a little strange bordering on malpractice. The first exhibit doesn't come in until page 240, well after most of the deposition is over, and is introduced by Charles Babcock.

Seems bad to me, but Baldoni supporters seem to love them some Freedman so I guess they will continue to ride for him here. If true, I'm also shocked Freedman would have *wanted* to enter the deposition into the public record, lol. Just goes to show that Freedman continues even now to try to put items into the record (like his Complaint's Exhibit A) that actively hurt instead of help his clients.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.

I generally agree with this. Swift has every right to be angry that her name was used in that way and that Lively and her lawyers threatened her (if that's true). I don't think a) Swift being angry at Lively means Swift doesn't believe Lively's allegations and b) that it matters at all whether she believes Lively. It's on Lively to prove those allegations, Swift wasn't on set and has no knowledge whether Baldoni and Heath SHed Lively and certainly no knowledge of whatever TAG and Wallace did (if they did anything).

And I just really doubt Swift would sit around reading Baldoni's website with his legal complaint. I guess she has people who monitor such things and report the gist? I imagine the online chatter about how it was received would be more important to Swift than the actual lawsuit info.

Come on, if she believed her friend was SH and retaliated against she would not be acting this way. Taylor is the queen of girls girls, whether it’s true or a perception, that’s how she is known so it definitely stands out that she has been silent from the beginning.

The shutting out of Blake happened well before the Superbowl. It’s just pretty clear Taylor doesn’t either buy it or thinks that Blake had enough problematic behavior on set and with Justin that this was going to get messy. She wanted to stay out of it from the beginning for a reason.

No one is saying Taylor sat and read the website. But you don’t think her name being in the website is going to get back to her instantly? Of course she has people monitoring this kind of thing and of course they told her. And of course she’d be pissed about it. She probably knows her friends and Blake use her for clout on occasion but to see it laid out so directly, actually implying that Taylor would be a threat if JB didn’t comply with Blake, is a whole other level.

PP - Yeah, what I'm saying is I agree she has people who monitor and report back on stuff like mentions of her name in the suit, or just generally "the internet is trending against Blake/for Baldoni." But I don't think it gets to the level of detail of "oh, Baldoni has all these texts contradicting X, Y, and Z from her complaint that rebut her harassment allegations." So I don't think her attitude is a reflection on whether she believes Lively or knows anything about how Lively acted on set.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.

I generally agree with this. Swift has every right to be angry that her name was used in that way and that Lively and her lawyers threatened her (if that's true). I don't think a) Swift being angry at Lively means Swift doesn't believe Lively's allegations and b) that it matters at all whether she believes Lively. It's on Lively to prove those allegations, Swift wasn't on set and has no knowledge whether Baldoni and Heath SHed Lively and certainly no knowledge of whatever TAG and Wallace did (if they did anything).

And I just really doubt Swift would sit around reading Baldoni's website with his legal complaint. I guess she has people who monitor such things and report the gist? I imagine the online chatter about how it was received would be more important to Swift than the actual lawsuit info.

Come on, if she believed her friend was SH and retaliated against she would not be acting this way. Taylor is the queen of girls girls, whether it’s true or a perception, that’s how she is known so it definitely stands out that she has been silent from the beginning.

The shutting out of Blake happened well before the Superbowl. It’s just pretty clear Taylor doesn’t either buy it or thinks that Blake had enough problematic behavior on set and with Justin that this was going to get messy. She wanted to stay out of it from the beginning for a reason.

No one is saying Taylor sat and read the website. But you don’t think her name being in the website is going to get back to her instantly? Of course she has people monitoring this kind of thing and of course they told her. And of course she’d be pissed about it. She probably knows her friends and Blake use her for clout on occasion but to see it laid out so directly, actually implying that Taylor would be a threat if JB didn’t comply with Blake, is a whole other level.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.

I generally agree with this. Swift has every right to be angry that her name was used in that way and that Lively and her lawyers threatened her (if that's true). I don't think a) Swift being angry at Lively means Swift doesn't believe Lively's allegations and b) that it matters at all whether she believes Lively. It's on Lively to prove those allegations, Swift wasn't on set and has no knowledge whether Baldoni and Heath SHed Lively and certainly no knowledge of whatever TAG and Wallace did (if they did anything).

And I just really doubt Swift would sit around reading Baldoni's website with his legal complaint. I guess she has people who monitor such things and report the gist? I imagine the online chatter about how it was received would be more important to Swift than the actual lawsuit info.

Are you serious? Taylor Swift is a billion dollar brand. Of course she has a team of lawyers and public relations staff to monitor stuff like this — specially back then when the possibility that she could be subpoenaed was very real.

Appreciate the recap -

NP

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

The latter.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.

I generally agree with this. Swift has every right to be angry that her name was used in that way and that Lively and her lawyers threatened her (if that's true). I don't think a) Swift being angry at Lively means Swift doesn't believe Lively's allegations and b) that it matters at all whether she believes Lively. It's on Lively to prove those allegations, Swift wasn't on set and has no knowledge whether Baldoni and Heath SHed Lively and certainly no knowledge of whatever TAG and Wallace did (if they did anything).

And I just really doubt Swift would sit around reading Baldoni's website with his legal complaint. I guess she has people who monitor such things and report the gist? I imagine the online chatter about how it was received would be more important to Swift than the actual lawsuit info.

Wow no lie, that’s gotta be pretty devastating for the kiddos. Aunt Taylor is everywhere in the news but she no longer comes around.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor knows Blake’s lying and wants nothing to do with it. Sorry Blake fans.

Hmmm what is the psychology of Blake here? Why would she risk her BFF status with Taylor over a movie? Or did she not think through the possible consequences?

Blake was getting increasingly desperate.

She had not anticipated that Justin Baldoni would fight back and release his website about the case. The full context of Blake’s texts were exposed and they did not paint Taylor Swift in a flattering light. Blake basically told Justin that she could use Taylor to destroy him. Blake compared herself to Khaleese and Taylor as her dragon that she could manipulate.

While, the information on the website probably gave Taylor pause, I don’t think it would have been enough to end the relationship so definitively.

The final straw was Blake threatening Taylor. Blake was facing a big backlash and she wanted to be seen publicly with Taylor at the Superbowl to improve public perception. Taylor said no, and Blake threatened to release their texts unless she acquiesced. That was the turning point when Taylor began communicating with Blake through her lawyers. Photos of Blake and Taylor were scrubbed from Taylor’s instagram and Kelce publicly unfollowed Blake’s husband.