Anonymous wrote:Who are these med students who do not get residencies? Are these the students who did poorly on their board scores?

Exactly.

OP likely works for health insurance. They want us to get worse healthcare so they can pay even less.

Anonymous wrote:It always annoys me that we fund and support all kinds of medical research. I mean who doesn't want a cure for cancer, but then Drug companies and Doctors turn around and build motes around the cures.

Sure, Physicians are like the Big Contractor that drives the shiny truck. But seriously, I don't think Doctors really understand how great they aren't. When it comes to how much staff they have to have how well trained their staff has to be how many drugs and prescriptions. Insurance companies. Large hospitals. Expensive equipment. Lab space etc. Carpenter needs a few saws and hammers or what not you can fit them in a truck.

The next time you are in the hospital, ask for a carpenter to treat you instead of a doctor 🤣

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Anonymous wrote:From that, your carpenter has to pay for health insurance, retirement/401k, insurance for his company, overhead costs, various taxes, etc.

He works alone, has no employees. Out of my $124/hr I also have to pay retirement, insurance (health, disability), plus umbrella not included, commuting, taxes, etc. None of which are deductible against income.

He does a skilled artistic trade that few people are able to do, so he can charge his worth.

You won't be happy if I told you what I can charge per hour designing prom dresses or sewing drapes.

So few people have high level skills doing many of the artistic trades, so those of us that do can charge what the market will bear, which is not a small amount.

Anonymous wrote:Why on earth does your carpenter make so much, and how did you arrive at that figure?




This country is headed for trouble in a lot of ways, particularly in healthcare as the haves and have nots get further and further apart.

If he is skilled at what he does, then he should charge more.

It always annoys me that we fund and support all kinds of medical research. I mean who doesn't want a cure for cancer, but then Drug companies and Doctors turn around and build motes around the cures.

Sure, Physicians are like the Big Contractor that drives the shiny truck. But seriously, I don't think Doctors really understand how great they aren't. When it comes to how much staff they have to have how well trained their staff has to be how many drugs and prescriptions. Insurance companies. Large hospitals. Expensive equipment. Lab space etc. Carpenter needs a few saws and hammers or what not you can fit them in a truck.

We have a small family business as my husband is a general contractor. He does mostly bathroom and basement renovations inside the beltway. He subs out some work like tile but otherwise is doing most of the work himself. Our goal is he bills $100 an hour, or $800 for a day. Like others have pointed out he can’t be working constantly the way jobs align so we need an extra hourly to cover the time between jobs or doing other work related tasks. We also have high liability insurance.

But one of our biggest pushes in pricing is knowing that his body can’t do the level of physical labor he does every day as late in life as some other professions that are not as labor intensive. We need to be set up for an earlier retirement or have money banked for an injury.

We also charge what the market can bear. He only does one job at a time so his clients can expect his 100% attention to detail. He is fair and communicates well. He always gets his job done within his timeline. He is well respected and recommended by clients. And he almost always gets the bids he puts out; so honestly the market could bear more and he should charge more.

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Anonymous wrote:A carpenter may not work 40 hrs a week guaranteed. And they have to pay for all the benefits out of that pay.

And usually part of a union so dues to that.

And they do some very physically taxing work.

Plumbers are another trade I admire- tight dark spaces, dirty disgusting water, and physically gruelling.

Uh no. A self employed carpenter is almost certainly not un a union. Most carpenters are not in unions, especially those doing residential construction and remodeling.

High end carpenters are often called cabinetmakers. I’m certain peons like OP could not even afford their work.

My brother has custom millwork all over his house and it cost a healthy 6 figures.

He made way more **^^^

My brother is a carpenter. I need way more than that but he ran three crews.

He worked way harder than any position ever did. Boo-hoo you went to school for 100 years that doesn’t afford you the privilege making a lot of money.

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Anonymous wrote:A carpenter may not work 40 hrs a week guaranteed. And they have to pay for all the benefits out of that pay.

And usually part of a union so dues to that.

And they do some very physically taxing work.

Plumbers are another trade I admire- tight dark spaces, dirty disgusting water, and physically gruelling.

Uh no. A self employed carpenter is almost certainly not un a union. Most carpenters are not in unions, especially those doing residential construction and remodeling.

High end carpenters are often called cabinetmakers. I’m certain peons like OP could not even afford their work.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is no one factoring OP’s debt into the equation.

Why didn't OP factor that in before going for a profession that would cost half a million before you ever earned a dollar?

Hence the statement that this country is facing a brain drain away from medicine.

I thought doctors went in to medicine to help people. Nice to know they’re just as greedy as everyone else.

They are as bad or worse than lawyers and VC who don’t have quite the same god complex.

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Anonymous wrote:How often do you have a patient bite off a finger?

In a given year, 5% of carpenters will lose a finger.

How many carpenters perform invasive procedures on HIV+ patients?

Many many doctors become sick from their work and many died from COVID they caught from patients you know.

I personally have been treated in the ER for pneumonia, MRSA infection, corneal ulcer, and other issues contracted from health care work.

LOLOL Do you know how much risk rough carpenters and other trades took on to build your house??? To drill for oil? To build/repair your roads??? To tow your car off 495??? No one feels sorry for you except you.

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Anonymous wrote:For general services. I am a physician and make $124/hour. After 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, $250K post-graduate educational debt, 5 years of post medical school training working 90 hours a week for $50-$70k/year (latter only at the end), and 10 years of additional clinical experience. I am a W2 employee and cannot deduct expenses.

This country is headed for a very very serious physician shortage.

You need to lobby more so that when people see Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants they aren’t billed the same exact rate for an office as seeing a physician!

You need to start blaming private equity companies from buying up medical practices. They are big on hiring fewer doctors and more NPs and PAs

Yes, I am painfully aware of this. Unfortunately it is part of the problem. Also unfortunately, the perfect storm of anti-science, anti-medicine and anti-expertise sentiment in this country is destroying The profession and the quality of the system.

Wow. Being a well-earning carpenter is not anti-science. In fact, they require a good understanding of materials and math.

An advanced degree doesn’t mean you’re smart or worthy of high pay. Tell us how deserving you are because of your vocational degree (which is what an MD is) is superior to a plumber when your pipes backup. Hope he/she charges you triple because you are so deserving.

Anonymous wrote:For general services. I am a physician and make $124/hour. After 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, $250K post-graduate educational debt, 5 years of post medical school training working 90 hours a week for $50-$70k/year (latter only at the end), and 10 years of additional clinical experience. I am a W2 employee and cannot deduct expenses.

This country is headed for a very very serious physician shortage.

How is this surprising to you? You must’ve grown up in a bubble. Time was where blue and white collar incomes overlapped much more.

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Anonymous wrote:For general services. I am a physician and make $124/hour. After 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, $250K post-graduate educational debt, 5 years of post medical school training working 90 hours a week for $50-$70k/year (latter only at the end), and 10 years of additional clinical experience. I am a W2 employee and cannot deduct expenses.

This country is headed for a very very serious physician shortage.

Union carpenters in NYC make almost double that amount.

No they don't.