I am on our pools swim team board. I’ll even volunteer to be on the NVSL board. Which NVSL position is open?

I still think diving in 2.5ft is absurd AND I appreciate Pinecrest stepping and their efforts.

Anonymous wrote:Our pool has insufficient parking so no stepping up on our end. I don’t get people thinking it can’t be both a hazard AND also nice that Pinecrest stepped up. Does Pinecrest allow divers on that end any other time? It’s absurd that people are claiming it is not a danger.

Over 90% of deck dives with injuries are in less than 6’. How come we don’t have a consensus that this is a danger? Yes, they stepped up and ran a great meet. Yes, it was a lot of planning and work. Yes, it shuts their pool down. All that can be true and it can also be true that diving in from a deck at 2.5’ of water is a danger.

Absurd that people say: then your kid can scratch, your kid could have done pool familiarization, then your pool can host, then you can join NVSL’s board, the notice from the pool said be careful, we added more water, etc.This is not subjective. It is dangerous or it isn’t.

That may be true, dives in the context in those studies were most certainly not differentiated between head first and low, shallow-entry angle dives. In the context of summer swim, we are talking about very low angle dives.

Anonymous wrote:Our pool has insufficient parking so no stepping up on our end. I don’t get people thinking it can’t be both a hazard AND also nice that Pinecrest stepped up. Does Pinecrest allow divers on that end any other time? It’s absurd that people are claiming it is not a danger.

Over 90% of deck dives with injuries are in less than 6’. How come we don’t have a consensus that this is a danger? Yes, they stepped up and ran a great meet. Yes, it was a lot of planning and work. Yes, it shuts their pool down. All that can be true and it can also be true that diving in from a deck at 2.5’ of water is a danger.

Absurd that people say: then your kid can scratch, your kid could have done pool familiarization, then your pool can host, then you can join NVSL’s board, the notice from the pool said be careful, we added more water, etc.This is not subjective. It is dangerous or it isn’t.

And it's absurd to come on a message board and complain without taking any action to do something about it. No one has said it's not an issue, their saying that unless someone else is willing to host, or do the work to come up with an alternative, this is the choice you have. Step up, step out or shut up about it.

It is absolutely legal to do an in water start. It is slower than a diving start, but legal. So if your kid wants to swim at all stars, but you are worried about the starting depth, they can do an in water start.

Our pool has insufficient parking so no stepping up on our end. I don’t get people thinking it can’t be both a hazard AND also nice that Pinecrest stepped up. Does Pinecrest allow divers on that end any other time? It’s absurd that people are claiming it is not a danger.

Over 90% of deck dives with injuries are in less than 6’. How come we don’t have a consensus that this is a danger? Yes, they stepped up and ran a great meet. Yes, it was a lot of planning and work. Yes, it shuts their pool down. All that can be true and it can also be true that diving in from a deck at 2.5’ of water is a danger.

Absurd that people say: then your kid can scratch, your kid could have done pool familiarization, then your pool can host, then you can join NVSL’s board, the notice from the pool said be careful, we added more water, etc.This is not subjective. It is dangerous or it isn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Well Pinecrest is passing the torch for next year. So can’t wait for all the pools with safe diving conditions (and enough field space)(and enough deck space)(and enough parking space)(and a fast pool)(and enough volunteers who haven’t already left for summer vacations) to step up!

NP: I can appreciate how there was plenty of space and it was well run and they stepped up. That doesn’t change the fact that it is too shallow of a pool for hundreds and hundreds of swimmers to be diving in. If Aunt Mary offers to host Tgiving when no one else offered - and serves improperly refrigerated turkey bc she doesn’t have a working fridge - and no one gets sick, it does not mean the turkey wasn’t a safety issue and doesn’t mean people can’t complain.

The diving depth is a safety issue. I still appreciate Pinecrest stepping up, but this doesn’t negate the previous sentence.

If you knew her refrigerator was broken, why didn’t you offer to bring the turkey yourself? Further, why did you still eat it if you were informed of the risk? Sounds like you just wanted someone else to do all the heavy lifting so you could sit back, relax and watch football. I bet you didn’t even help with the dishes afterwards.

You need help.

- my kid didn’t know about the shallow diving until we arrived.

- what would you have an individual do? Tell me what you think an individual parent can do?

Just like a pool doesn’t step up when there is insufficient parking, Pinecrest should not step up bc of this safety issue. It works fine, until it doesn’t.

Maybe you should be talking to your pool about hosting instead of complaining about the pool that has been willing to host. Have a chat with your board and be willing to shut your pool down for 2 days and overwhelm your neighborhood with cars and visitors. Because right now, you are complaining without offering an alternative.

This is not an easy event to host, The pool is closed for 2 days to prepare. People who don't have kids swimming, or even on swim team, volunteer their time to make the event happen. I have no idea how much money to provides the pool but I do know that paying the water bill to overflow the pool is expensive. But the entire pool in inconvenienced to host an event that most of our swimmer don't participate in.

I am fine with Pinecrest hosting it and then I read posts here about how our pool is an awful choice, and it makes me want to just tell the board to not host it. We have been members for 10 years, maybe longer, and have not heard of anyone who has been injured diving into the pool. I have not heard of injuries at swim meets that the pool hosts or at the practices or at the general pool use. There is a rule about not diving because it is the shallow end. Swim team kids dive in, but they learn how to do so safely. Is there room for injury? Yes, maybe even more room because of how shallow the pool is. You know that in advance, feel free to not allow your child to participate. Better yet, stop complaining and have your pool step up.

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Anonymous wrote:The shallowness is like the crocs left on deck- or any safety hazard- 99%+ of the time nothing will happen.

It was the swimmer's own croc. She swam, went to put it on, and popped her knee.

Objection, irrelevant. So? Who cares whose croc it was. Leaving it on a fairly narrow path deck where people walk and aren’t paying attention almost always is not a problem…until one day it was. Same thing with diving in at 2.5” - it is almost always fine. Until something happens.

I don't understand. She didn't trip over it, she was putting it on. Are you suggesting it would be safer to not allow swimmers to wear shoes at all on the narrow decks because if you take it off, you have to put it back on and that could cause and injury?

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Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Well Pinecrest is passing the torch for next year. So can’t wait for all the pools with safe diving conditions (and enough field space)(and enough deck space)(and enough parking space)(and a fast pool)(and enough volunteers who haven’t already left for summer vacations) to step up!

NP: I can appreciate how there was plenty of space and it was well run and they stepped up. That doesn’t change the fact that it is too shallow of a pool for hundreds and hundreds of swimmers to be diving in. If Aunt Mary offers to host Tgiving when no one else offered - and serves improperly refrigerated turkey bc she doesn’t have a working fridge - and no one gets sick, it does not mean the turkey wasn’t a safety issue and doesn’t mean people can’t complain.

The diving depth is a safety issue. I still appreciate Pinecrest stepping up, but this doesn’t negate the previous sentence.

If you knew her refrigerator was broken, why didn’t you offer to bring the turkey yourself? Further, why did you still eat it if you were informed of the risk? Sounds like you just wanted someone else to do all the heavy lifting so you could sit back, relax and watch football. I bet you didn’t even help with the dishes afterwards.

You need help.

- my kid didn’t know about the shallow diving until we arrived.

- what would you have an individual do? Tell me what you think an individual parent can do?

Just like a pool doesn’t step up when there is insufficient parking, Pinecrest should not step up bc of this safety issue. It works fine, until it doesn’t.

You as an individual parent can scratch your kid and let someone else take their place. You as an individual parent can join the NVSL board and become one of the decision makers, go out there, recruit other pools to step up, or pitch the multitude of other ideas keyboard quarterbacks like to spout on these chats. You as an individual parent can approach your own team board to step up and host next year. Shall I continue?

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Anonymous wrote:Why not pick a different pool? This seems unsafe and stupid.

Because no other pool wanted to host it.

That is not true.

This is ABSOLUTELY, 100% true. If you think you know otherwise, tell us the pool that stepped up and I'm sure Pinecrest would be thrilled to hand over the reins. I'd also like to add that Pinecrest did not "want" to host it, they stepped up because (again) NO ONE else would.

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Anonymous wrote:The shallowness is like the crocs left on deck- or any safety hazard- 99%+ of the time nothing will happen.

It was the swimmer's own croc. She swam, went to put it on, and popped her knee.

Objection, irrelevant. So? Who cares whose croc it was. Leaving it on a fairly narrow path deck where people walk and aren’t paying attention almost always is not a problem…until one day it was. Same thing with diving in at 2.5” - it is almost always fine. Until something happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not pick a different pool? This seems unsafe and stupid.

Because no other pool wanted to host it.

That is not true.

So those pools will step up next year? Which ones?

I am of the camp who think iIAS and ASR should be at an indoor location like GMU or Oakmount. Tired of the rushing to get to ASR, sitting in hot humid cars, for the event to ultimately cancelled. Charge fees if needed to cover the facility rentals.

I’d rather not do IAS or ASR at all. Aren’t these yards pools? So would’t that mean no PBs? No records? Just swimming against the kids they’re going to be swimming against in a few months during boring, old club meets? I’ll pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not pick a different pool? This seems unsafe and stupid.

Because no other pool wanted to host it.

That is not true.

Name the pool(s) that have offered, please.

I'm pretty sure there are no pools stepping up to offer since NVSL has asked Pinecrest to take this on again... and even suggested we take this on more permanently. So, there's that.

The pool shallow end is listed as 2.5 -- NV Pools does fill it way up to give some extra space. Three years in a row now (hosting Divisionals and 2 All-Stars) no one has come in to actually measure what it is.

Anonymous wrote:The shallowness is like the crocs left on deck- or any safety hazard- 99%+ of the time nothing will happen.

It was the swimmer's own croc. She swam, went to put it on, and popped her knee.

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Anonymous wrote:^ And let’s not mention the unsafe diving conditions at Pinecrest too!

Put up or shut up. Pinecrest was the ONLY pool that volunteered. Huge shout out to them for welcoming the league to take over their pool this week and all the hard work they put into making it possible.

+1000

If a pool other than Pinecrest wants to take it on, please do so!!!! I live in the neighborhood and want my pool back

I want people to not park like idiots. There were cars parked so that they were in intersections and blocking mailboxes and driveways. I am fine with using the Fox Mill pool for a few days but would appreciate people not creating hazards with their parking and jostling for parking. There was a lane to drop off swimmers, drop off your swimmer then park and walk over. The extra few feet of walking is not goig to kill you.

People are incredibly inconsiderate and lazy. In a neighborhood with ample street parking people should be able to park legally and safely even if it means walking a little further.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not pick a different pool? This seems unsafe and stupid.

Because no other pool wanted to host it.

That is not true.

So those pools will step up next year? Which ones?

I am of the camp who think iIAS and ASR should be at an indoor location like GMU or Oakmount. Tired of the rushing to get to ASR, sitting in hot humid cars, for the event to ultimately cancelled. Charge fees if needed to cover the facility rentals.

Capacity is only 500 though. People wouldn’t be able to get in and single event viewing would be a logistical nightmare. Where would you put all the teams?

Put swimmers in spectator area and live stream for spectators. Or swimmers sit outside (doesn’t take away the thunderstorm risk) and go inside for their swims - eg St James does this with summer meets.