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Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...

Easy grading

Idk how true the Duke stat but it is important for premeds to understand the basic medians and curves when they are evaluating schools. DS ivy has a ton of premed BME and a very high med school acceptance rate. The average gpa in engineering at graduation is above 3.6ish, and this ivy is one of the three "deflated" ivies. Cs are quite rare at elites these days. The students work very hard and it is rigorous, yet the curves are much better than similar schools 30 yrs ago

I think that is true every where or at least many places. UVA engineering is supposedly 3.6 average, compared to the college of arts and sciences which is 3.7 per sources linked on reddit. William and Mary does not have engineering but they have inflation too these days. Gpa matters a lot for medical school it is smart to look into it, though med admissions people likely use gpa in context of the undergrad. Most have a tier system that plays a part, and most premed “letters” give metrics on the average gpa and mcat from the school

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Anonymous wrote:Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

They are failing a lot then. There are so many that aren't. Which I understand when some now have to see what 20 plus patients a day. That's a bigger issue though.

Failing in what way?

Every year, we get copious amounts of health data indicating intense biases against women and minorities. The maternal mortality rate for even rich black women is concerning. Also anyone who has had a serious health issue while being overweight will give you the classic story of the doctor basically going "just lose weight" when there are other serious issues going on. Medical training doesn't involve much nutrition or statistical knowledge, which our physicians desperately need.

Nutrition is metabolism and biochemistry. There is extensive training and in addition it is common to spend time on the application of the knowledge side by side with expert dietitians: nutrition rounds in the hospital as well as in clinics, every week in many rotations throughout residency. That was common 30 yrs ago as well. Statistics and evidence-based medicine is a daily occurrence on every patient on wards, in addition to coursework, even more than 30 yrs ago though it certainly occurred then.

Most often informed by biostatisticians, not doctors. Our doctors are not good researchers, typically.

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Anonymous wrote:Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

They are failing a lot then. There are so many that aren't. Which I understand when some now have to see what 20 plus patients a day. That's a bigger issue though.

Failing in what way?

Every year, we get copious amounts of health data indicating intense biases against women and minorities. The maternal mortality rate for even rich black women is concerning. Also anyone who has had a serious health issue while being overweight will give you the classic story of the doctor basically going "just lose weight" when there are other serious issues going on. Medical training doesn't involve much nutrition or statistical knowledge, which our physicians desperately need.

Nutrition is metabolism and biochemistry. There is extensive training and in addition it is common to spend time on the application of the knowledge side by side with expert dietitians: nutrition rounds in the hospital as well as in clinics, every week in many rotations throughout residency. That was common 30 yrs ago as well. Statistics and evidence-based medicine is a daily occurrence on every patient on wards, in addition to coursework, even more than 30 yrs ago though it certainly occurred then.

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Anonymous wrote:Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

They are failing a lot then. There are so many that aren't. Which I understand when some now have to see what 20 plus patients a day. That's a bigger issue though.

Failing in what way?

Nevermind it's all perfect. lol Many practitioners are overworked and overbooked. Today's medicine. It is what it is. You really have to want to be a doctor to go to medical school these days.

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Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...

Easy grading

Idk how true the Duke stat but it is important for premeds to understand the basic medians and curves when they are evaluating schools. DS ivy has a ton of premed BME and a very high med school acceptance rate. The average gpa in engineering at graduation is above 3.6ish, and this ivy is one of the three "deflated" ivies. Cs are quite rare at elites these days. The students work very hard and it is rigorous, yet the curves are much better than similar schools 30 yrs ago

It is true. Duke posts top25% cutoffs.

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Anonymous wrote:Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

They are failing a lot then. There are so many that aren't. Which I understand when some now have to see what 20 plus patients a day. That's a bigger issue though.

Failing in what way?

Every year, we get copious amounts of health data indicating intense biases against women and minorities. The maternal mortality rate for even rich black women is concerning. Also anyone who has had a serious health issue while being overweight will give you the classic story of the doctor basically going "just lose weight" when there are other serious issues going on. Medical training doesn't involve much nutrition or statistical knowledge, which our physicians desperately need.

There is literally no way to condense that vast topic as there so many complex factors impacting healthcare and doctor/patient relationships, but it is indeed what they care about.

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Anonymous wrote:Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

They are failing a lot then. There are so many that aren't. Which I understand when some now have to see what 20 plus patients a day. That's a bigger issue though.

Failing in what way?

Anonymous wrote:Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

They are failing a lot then. There are so many that aren't. Which I understand when some now have to see what 20 plus patients a day. That's a bigger issue though.

Med school doesn’t care about major, they are shaping a class and want diverse applicants. It’s gpa, MCAT, clinical, research, volunteer and leadership with a compelling story much like college admissions. Major in engineering if you wish, solid back-up plan obviously, just understand you’re not getting brownie points for it. They want empathetic providers that connect with patients and are great communicators.

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Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...

Easy grading

Idk how true the Duke stat but it is important for premeds to understand the basic medians and curves when they are evaluating schools. DS ivy has a ton of premed BME and a very high med school acceptance rate. The average gpa in engineering at graduation is above 3.6ish, and this ivy is one of the three "deflated" ivies. Cs are quite rare at elites these days. The students work very hard and it is rigorous, yet the curves are much better than similar schools 30 yrs ago

That sounds like easy grading to me. What is your point (please w/o using "my DS's Ivy" in your response)?

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Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...

Easy grading

Idk how true the Duke stat but it is important for premeds to understand the basic medians and curves when they are evaluating schools. DS ivy has a ton of premed BME and a very high med school acceptance rate. The average gpa in engineering at graduation is above 3.6ish, and this ivy is one of the three "deflated" ivies. Cs are quite rare at elites these days. The students work very hard and it is rigorous, yet the curves are much better than similar schools 30 yrs ago

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Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...

That’s nuts

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...

Easy grading

Anonymous wrote:3.8+ in engineering is so f'king hard

and yet well over 25% of Duke (Pratt) grads have that gpa...varies on the school...