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Post 07/18/2025 08:18     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:I am not seeing this OP. Be cautious you are not in an echo chamber and missing a silent majority.

FWIW I would vote for anyone moderate.

+1 I think most would.

DP. No they wouldn’t. That’s how Trump keeps winning.


Biden campaigned as a moderate but governed as a far-left progressive. In 2024, nobody trusted the Democrats any more when they claimed to be moderate as it was obviously a lie.

How did he govern as a far left progressive? He barely did anything despite claiming he would do progressive things like universal pre-K etc. He did very, very little at all.


These people claiming that Biden was any kind of progressive are quite insane. He ruled firmed for the center while giving republicans pretty much whatever that wanted. At best we didn’t move either left or right.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 08:18     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:The problem that Dem moderates are running into is that they don't seem to stand for anything. I am barely hearing anything from D leadership on any of the major issues today. Maybe they are saying or posting something but it's not penetrating and I say this as someone who is pretty engaged.

Agree with a PP who said the party (maybe both) have lost the trust of voters. This is why left wing or progressive candidates can generate more enthusiasm, because they seem more authentic and like the believe in something versus parroting the most "popular" or palatable consultant-vetted position.

I agree Dems will need someone who seems like an outsider like Obama initially did. Otherwise it's hard to break the cycle.


The moderates have been driven out of the Democratic Party. That’s why you don’t hear from them.

No tf they haven’t. David Hogg threatened to primary moderates and now he’s the one that is gone. Schumer, Jeffries, Gilibrand, Fetterman are moderates and still around. Murphy has become more prominent also a moderate. You basically never hear anything about that phony Muslim Omar anymore. Who are the moderates that have been forced out?
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Post 07/18/2025 08:17     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:The problem that Dem moderates are running into is that they don't seem to stand for anything. I am barely hearing anything from D leadership on any of the major issues today. Maybe they are saying or posting something but it's not penetrating and I say this as someone who is pretty engaged.

Agree with a PP who said the party (maybe both) have lost the trust of voters. This is why left wing or progressive candidates can generate more enthusiasm, because they seem more authentic and like the believe in something versus parroting the most "popular" or palatable consultant-vetted position.

I agree Dems will need someone who seems like an outsider like Obama initially did. Otherwise it's hard to break the cycle.


You people are ridiculous. Dem policies are favored by a vast majority of voters. We have minority rule right now. Biden lurched left on a single issue: immigration. The loan forgiveness really went to predatory lenders who kept jacking up balances on borrowers when they transferred loans. Most people would agree that if your original loan balance was $50k and you’ve been paying for 10 years, your balance shouldn’t be $100k. That doesn’t happen with mortgages, so it shouldn’t happen with school loans. FFS educate yourself on what it entailed.

Finally, it’s looking very credible that 2024 was rigged.

—never had a school loan because I attended on the GI Bill


yes but loan forgiveness is NOT the answer- it didn't address the actual problem which is that college is TOO expensive and not everyone needs to go and the "prep school" for all transformation of American public high school model is a dismal failure. Democrats haven't actually addressed any real issued progressives really care about the economy first. I'm a wealthy Muslim brown woman- the wealthy and successful part really make sit easy to ignore islamaphobia, if ppl have a fighting chance to build a good life, they can deal with microagressions- telling people they should be wage slaves to our tech overlords and be happy with a White House "eid Mubarak" twice a year is fooling no-one.

id also like to inform the idiot PP that zohran mamdani's appeal is "eat the rich" NOT "globalize the intifada" - he doesn't care about the intifada, he cares about rent control and so does everyone else and if that means that a bunch of people who own 6 apartments will lose them or make less money - boo offing hoo- none caressssss.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 08:17     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:Just my observations here. I am seeing a leftward cultural shift that rivals that of the Great Recession. This time is different, it is certainly not a "woke" culture (which has been resoundingly rejected) but profoundly anti-capitalist and anti-corporate. It has populist elements that also appeal to the New Right.

For reference, I am a millennial married to a Gen-Xer with Gen Z stepchildren. All of us are gainfully employed...for now.

What I am seeing isn't necessarily Marxist or socialist (although the Bernie Sanders/AOC left still takes this label) and it isn't obvious across the board. Americans are still divided within the working class such that there is still strong resentment of people "below" you getting something that they didn't "earn," and there is still a (very healthy, IMO) distrust in Big Government and dislike of taxes. However, I am seeing a distrust in American capitalism and especially, corporations, at an all-time high, or at least since 2008.

Young people especially HATE this economy. They hate graduating with debt (and yes, even trade schools incur debt) and not finding a job, because of AI, offshoring, or companies just wanting to extract as much profit as they can with as few resources as they can get away with. They hate private equity buying up homes... and hospitals! They hate AI-generated rejection letters (for job postings that require multiple resume formats and cover letters and essays and all these hoops), and "Ghost Jobs," and benefits disappearing, and job security being a joke even when they did "the right thing" by majoring in STEM, etc.

Silicon Valley is no longer seen as a center of innovation, but as a center for global control, market manipulation, and just plain evil (for example, the latest trend in billionaires genetically designing their own offspring). More and more are seeing tech companies not as innovators but as exploiters, especially since the tech jobs with comfortable salaries are disappearing. If you aren't up there with Musk or Thiel, you're one of the peasants to their feudal lordships.

The anti-corporate sentiment extends to the cultural Right, too. They hate how corporations get away with hiring illegal immigrants, or the 2010s trend of "woke" virtue signaling capitalism. They hate fake virtue-signaling marketing campaigns and forced diversity.

Save for a few podcast bros that still salivate over cryptocurrency, most Gen Zs are turning anti-capitalist, in a uniquely modern way. It's really interesting to see. We're all tired of being scammed, rug pulled, hoodwinked, whatever you want to call it when you are told all your life to work hard and do the right thing only to be screwed over to no fault of your own.


Awww bless your heart. You actually want others to believe this. Nice try.


+1
Love this leftist dcum bubble.


It’s often discussed that Dem politicians’ camps post here. Newsom in particular and Ossof recently. I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP is affiliated with the DNC.

Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 08:12     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:I am not seeing this OP. Be cautious you are not in an echo chamber and missing a silent majority.

FWIW I would vote for anyone moderate.

+1 I think most would.

DP. No they wouldn’t. That’s how Trump keeps winning.


Biden campaigned as a moderate but governed as a far-left progressive. In 2024, nobody trusted the Democrats any more when they claimed to be moderate as it was obviously a lie.

How did he govern as a far left progressive? He barely did anything despite claiming he would do progressive things like universal pre-K etc. He did very, very little at all.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 08:09     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
Anonymous wrote:I am not seeing this OP. Be cautious you are not in an echo chamber and missing a silent majority.

FWIW I would vote for anyone moderate.


I am not seeing this AT ALL culturally. people are craving more "old fashioned" nostalgia. People basically want it to be the last century again but also economically, they want the tax cuts, tacky enormously rich people etc.. to go away and trans people in sports to go away as well. Our country basically went economically incredible top heavy tilted towards the capitalist and disadvantaged wage earners and the middle class- so alarmingly rightwards fiscally the past 20 years and alarmingly leftwards culturally and most people want it to switch. No-one really cares for /about the 5 trans kids but they are annoyed by the legions of young kids they know who change their identities during adolescence and just require SO MUCH HANDHOLDING plus anxious about the tacky over the top wealthy people in the top 1%. there is a 500, 000 dollar difference in the 98.5% wealthiest American and the 99% wealthiest and pretty much that 98.5 percent of the population mostly wants to cook and eat the other .5% b/c they are cooking and eating us!!!
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 07:25     Subject: Re:I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
Anonymous wrote:I'm 95% sure the House will flip in 2026.

I'm 50-50 on the Senate, but it's possible if Susan Collins retires and Roy Cooper runs for Tom Tillis's seat in NC.


We can see the political opportunists licking their chops already. I think this is what Democrats did last time. They promised things like equitability and what not. Then they got in and implemented a bunch of unpopular things or at least tried like amnesty. I don't think anti-Trump sentiment or class redistribution will work this time, not with the Democrats.
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Post 07/18/2025 07:10     Subject: Re:I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
I'm 95% sure the House will flip in 2026.

I'm 50-50 on the Senate, but it's possible if Susan Collins retires and Roy Cooper runs for Tom Tillis's seat in NC.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 07:07     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:This is to be expected. For the last several decades we've seen the middle class falling apart, we've seen stagnation of wages, while housing, groceries, energy and other costs keep creeping up. We see people go bankrupt over medical debt. We see people no longer afford to be able to buy a home as was so easy for previous generations. And we also see insane excesses of wealth at the top held by lunatics like Musk We see health insurance companies and big pharma ripping off the sick. And now we see Republicans attacking all kinds of programs that people depend on just so that the rich can get even bigger tax breaks they don't need while adding even more debt.

People are pissed off. Something needs to change, NOW.

Biden was able to have medical debt removed from credit reports. Trump administration sued and a Trump appointed Texas judge said it was unconstitutional and all medical debt should appear on a credit reporting.

Forget about a policy that erases medical debt. We need a policy to lower healthcare costs. Erasing medical debt is a band aid that helps support the insurance companies.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 07:06     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
I agree with OP’s take on ten current environment. Who remembers the popularity of the 1%/occupy Wall Street movement? That anger has been simmering but lacked direction and a platform. if the Ds can field a candidate that can harness that sentiment (now expanded to large tech companies) they can build a movement.

But the DNC is so rooted in establishment ways and my whole generation keeps pushing moderates.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 03:24     Subject: Re:I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:Lots of unusual things are happening with voter rolls...

July 16 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's administration and its allies are trying to obtain voter data from states and inspect voting equipment, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday, in moves it said had caused concern among state and local election officials.
The Post said "the most unusual activity" was taking place in Colorado, where it said a consultant who was working with the White House had asked county clerks whether they would let federal officials or a third party examine voting machines.
"That’s a hard stop for me," Carly Koppes, a Republican clerk in Colorado's Weld County, said. "Nobody gets access to my voting equipment, for security reasons."
The newspaper said the Justice Department had separately asked at least nine states for copies of their voter rolls, and that at least two have turned them over.
White House spokesperson Harrison Fields said in a statement that "Trump will keep fighting for election integrity" and that the administration was "confident in securing an ultimate victory in the courtroom."
Elections in the United States, including for federal offices, are administered by state and local officials.
Trump has long raised doubts about the electoral system and continues to falsely assert that his 2020 loss to Democratic President Joe Biden was due to electoral fraud.
In a Truth Social post on Saturday, Trump stood his ground on voter fraud claims and called for action against the "stolen election of 2020".

More likely, Trump really lost 2024. He stole the election from Harris.


I honestly don't know about that just because it was such a bizarre set of circumstances. What I do know is that getting a 49.5 voter percentage with a female opponent of color who became the nominee a few months before the election after the elderly Pres bowed out, and did not do enough to set her own message, plus the opposition from a significant bloc of voters over Gaza, was hardly a landslide. No other GOP pres who won the popular vote had such a small percentage in at least 124 years.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 03:14     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:Right. So the fact that Republicans won the White House, House, Senate and more governorships is clearly an indication of a shift to the left. Survey says? NO. It is a clear rejection of the lurch to the left. Open your eyes…. Migration away from Blue states to Red is even more evidence as people are literally voting with their feet and their dollars. Private schools cannot meet the need as people flee disastrous public schools hijacked by unions. I mean honestly what are you even talking about. Good lord you are delusional.


Do you not understand the concept of time? OP is talking about now and elections in the near future.

More than half a year has passed since Election Day. Just about half a year has passed since January 20.

People rejected the Democrats and they see what the GOP has done with the chance to govern. As usual, it's total shit for everyone not in the 0.1%.


Biden and his open borders and dei stuff and the lies about his mental capacity have done damage on a level you can’t even comprehend. My teenagers openly mock democrats when they don’t think parents are listening. And this is with other kids whose parents are also democrats. It’s amazing.


I notice that teens, including mine, mock everyone across the board, which is good - it means they're clear-eyed and not falling for some political schtick. Teen culture is very sardonic these days.


They also expect to have stuff handed to them today. They get degreed and expect to start in the middle and move up the ladder fast. Have you ever washed dishes or rang a register or cut your pwn lawn? Ridiculous expectations by teens.


Why would someone with a STEM degree and the 5 and 6 figure debt required to pay for it be satisfied with washing dishes or standing at a register? It is your expectations that are ridiculous. We aren’t expecting to start at the middle. Most would be happy to start at the bottom WITH actual opportunity to learn and advance. The problem is, those opportunities have become few and far between. No company wants to invest in actual entry level talent anymore. And if you manage to get a foot in the door, they expect you to accept meager wages, shitty or nonexistent benefits, and promotions and changes in title with no matching change in salary. I've literally never recieved a proper promotion. Just more responsibilities, title changes, and vague promises of a possible salary adjustment in the future. I have always had to change companies to get the raise I deserve. This is the norm now.

for a few years until your job goes to Manila or Lima or Mumbai
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 03:11     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
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Anonymous wrote:Right. So the fact that Republicans won the White House, House, Senate and more governorships is clearly an indication of a shift to the left. Survey says? NO. It is a clear rejection of the lurch to the left. Open your eyes…. Migration away from Blue states to Red is even more evidence as people are literally voting with their feet and their dollars. Private schools cannot meet the need as people flee disastrous public schools hijacked by unions. I mean honestly what are you even talking about. Good lord you are delusional.


Do you not understand the concept of time? OP is talking about now and elections in the near future.

More than half a year has passed since Election Day. Just about half a year has passed since January 20.

People rejected the Democrats and they see what the GOP has done with the chance to govern. As usual, it's total shit for everyone not in the 0.1%.


Biden and his open borders and dei stuff and the lies about his mental capacity have done damage on a level you can’t even comprehend. My teenagers openly mock democrats when they don’t think parents are listening. And this is with other kids whose parents are also democrats. It’s amazing.


Amazing that your teens are parroting inflammatory opinions they picked up online? Get back to us when they need to find a job or a place to live or a health insurance policy.


Maybe it’s not from online. Maybe my kids got sent home from school for 1.5 years due to Covid that they ended up getting anyway as did everyone they know. Maybe my kids are the ones who have had to hear endless talk about ged we and identity and are just over all the woke crap. And they know who peddles it. They do!! Maybe my daughter doesn’t like have boys dressed as girls on her soccer team. Maybe all the stupid stuff pushed by the left in lefty Fairfax county is actually backfiring. Maybe you are completely wrong that the culture is turning left when even immigrants support deporting illegals. Maybe the ONLY people who like these policies are rich people unaffected by them. I dunno. Or maybe it’s all from the internet. Maybe that’s it.


Since this definitely never happened, now we know you’re the one parroting inflammatory stuff you see online. Hopefully your kids stand a chance to learn to think critically when they’re young adults.


Right. Got it. You are one of those people who just deny that transgender people are even a thing anyone should worry about. And there you go providing yet another reason the Democrats are losing voters. You think we are stupid and you lie all the time.


You may not be stupid, but you’re sure not smart. You’re definitely afraid of your own shadow.


So we have now entered the part of the debate where you abandon any pretense of discussing issues and just attack your perceived opponent. So predictable. So, are you saying transgender people (mostly biological boys) crossing over to compete as their assuming gender (typically girls teams) and competing in high school and college sports is not a thing? It’s just something Republicans made up? Is that what you are saying? I just want to make sure I understand exactly what you are saying.


DP. I believe it happens. I don’t believe it is such a common occurrence that the PP’s kid had to deal with it in her soccer team. I believe the PP was employing hyperbole to try to make her kids seem
like victims.


I couldn't find numbers for h.s. only college, but:
Trans people are estimated to make up 1-2% of the population of the United States; however, trans people make up less than less than 0.002% (10/500,000) of US college athletes, and even fewer of recent Olympians (0.001%) identify as trans.

Which is probably why when you read about hysteria around trans girls in h.s. athletics it's always the same handful of players.

The idea of a teenage boy deciding to identify as female for the sole purpose of playing volleyball on the girls' team or competing in track or swim meets is pretty much nuts. I'm still waiting for that one example.

My niece played volleyball in h.s. she's 5 ft tall. In photos her teammates tower over her. To the extent there could be a physical risk playing a team sport with a trans girl on her team it would be no more than the risk playing with the girls in her h.s.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 02:23     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
Anonymous wrote:This is to be expected. For the last several decades we've seen the middle class falling apart, we've seen stagnation of wages, while housing, groceries, energy and other costs keep creeping up. We see people go bankrupt over medical debt. We see people no longer afford to be able to buy a home as was so easy for previous generations. And we also see insane excesses of wealth at the top held by lunatics like Musk We see health insurance companies and big pharma ripping off the sick. And now we see Republicans attacking all kinds of programs that people depend on just so that the rich can get even bigger tax breaks they don't need while adding even more debt.

People are pissed off. Something needs to change, NOW.

Biden was able to have medical debt removed from credit reports. Trump administration sued and a Trump appointed Texas judge said it was unconstitutional and all medical debt should appear on a credit reporting.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2025 01:53     Subject: I am observing the biggest leftward cultural shift since 2008
Anonymous wrote:Americans need to unite on a zero tolerance policy for corruption and white collar crime. Stop voting for parties and start voting for character.

Ban congress and their families from trading stocks
Enforce ethics violations
Create new ethics codes for those who have relied on “customs”

Party loyalty is why criminals are in office destroying everything that helps society.


Amen