Anonymous wrote:Best schools In California for undergraduate:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Claremont McKenna
Harvey Mudd
USC
UCLA
Berkeley

Well, it’s 8th best, I guess. Better than if it were in Massachusetts.

I would argue even Scripps and Pitzer have better education quality than UCB or UCLA.

Anonymous wrote:Best schools In California for undergraduate:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Claremont McKenna
Harvey Mudd
USC
UCLA
Berkeley

Well, it’s 8th best, I guess. Better than if it were in Massachusetts.

Cut Pomona, Claremont McKenna, and Harvey Mudd.

Best schools In California for undergraduate:

Stanford
Caltech
Pomona
Claremont McKenna
Harvey Mudd
USC
UCLA
Berkeley

Well, it’s 8th best, I guess. Better than if it were in Massachusetts.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor people might purchase a Nissan over a BMW but that doesn’t say anything about quality. It just means that cost conscious buyers want to save money.

Yeah but only ignorant people think that UCB is a Nissan.

Take deep breaths, it will be okay. Your plebeian tastes for UCB and Bud Light are your choice and that is fine.

Anonymous wrote:Poor people might purchase a Nissan over a BMW but that doesn’t say anything about quality. It just means that cost conscious buyers want to save money.

Yeah but only ignorant people think that UCB is a Nissan.

Poor people might purchase a Nissan over a BMW but that doesn’t say anything about quality. It just means that cost conscious buyers want to save money.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor.

“Wow” is not what comes to mind when I hear of a top student attending Berkeley oos.

“How” is the word that comes to mind. “How” could this process have been approached differently to get a better outcome?

The original thread was comparing in state Berkeley with HYP. This is a legitimate comparison, and I think kids may choose one or the other depending on major, family finances etc.

Cornell is a close contender for engineering and Penn is better for business, but I’d choose in state Berkeley over Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale for STEM. Most people would choose Harvard and Princeton over Berkeley, but they all are good options and there no wrong answer. It boils down to affordability and fit.

It’s a little silly to put UVA and Virginia Tech on the same level with Berkeley.

It’s a little silly to make this about in-state and then disparage UVA. By your criterion, UVA in-state over Berkeley. But we don’t really care about cost conscious folks or your wallet: Berkeley undergrad is in no way comparable to the schools you mentioned — for most applicants. What it is comparable to is UVA.

oos UVA vs. oos Berkeley, most would go with UVA and it’s far superior undergraduate experience…

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor.

“Wow” is not what comes to mind when I hear of a top student attending Berkeley oos.

“How” is the word that comes to mind. “How” could this process have been approached differently to get a better outcome?

The original thread was comparing in state Berkeley with HYP. This is a legitimate comparison, and I think kids may choose one or the other depending on major, family finances etc.

Cornell is a close contender for engineering and Penn is better for business, but I’d choose in state Berkeley over Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale for STEM. Most people would choose Harvard and Princeton over Berkeley, but they all are good options and there no wrong answer. It boils down to affordability and fit.

It’s a little silly to put UVA and Virginia Tech on the same level with Berkeley.

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Anonymous wrote:The 2024 UC undergrad experience survey for Berkeley had 88 percent reporting being satisfied with the overall academic experience, 82 percent being satisfied with the overall social experience, and 90 percent agreeing that the university had a strong commitment to undergraduate education. But definitely continue to listen to the infinite bullshit being spewed here instead.

Classic survey example of kids with limited experience who don’t know any better. I feel sorry for them.

Classic DCUM example of belief perseverance. I feel sorry for you.

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Anonymous wrote:On the east coast, Berkeley is viewed the same as Michigan or Virginia. Decent enough but not worth opening a bottle of champagne.

+1 the undergrad at Virginia is probably much better since it isn’t so over-enrolled

+2 UVA is miles ahead of Berkeley for undergrad

I would consider it delusional to compare undergrad at Berkeley to HYP. Comparing it to Michigan and Virginia is more reasonable, and even then Berkeley loses for the reasons listed by others here.

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Anonymous wrote:The 2024 UC undergrad experience survey for Berkeley had 88 percent reporting being satisfied with the overall academic experience, 82 percent being satisfied with the overall social experience, and 90 percent agreeing that the university had a strong commitment to undergraduate education. But definitely continue to listen to the infinite bullshit being spewed here instead.

Classic survey example of kids with limited experience who don’t know any better. I feel sorry for them.

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor.

“Wow” is not what comes to mind when I hear of a top student attending Berkeley oos.

“How” is the word that comes to mind. “How” could this process have been approached differently to get a better outcome?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t confuse being competitive due to a lot of in state residents wanting a tuition discount, with actually providing a good product. This school is getting the bargain shoppers.

+1 you get what you pay for

For most people, HYP is cheaper than UCB.

For some OOS people in the donut hole-ish range it might be, especially if they are full pay at UCB but get some aid at HYP. But not for most. College Navigator has the data on this.

Average net price:

Yale: $26,044
Princeton: $19,811
Harvard: $17,900
UCB: $16,997

Average net price for those making $110,001 and more:

Harvard: $53,571
Yale: $49,347
Princeton: $39,943
UCB: $35,154

The above are for people who received grants, scholarships, or aid, but we know the sticker price is also less at UCB than the others, so if you are full pay it is cheaper at UCB too. Which is a good thing, unlike those silly PPs who think lower cost is somehow indicative of low quality.

Berkeley definitely has a wow factor but HYP have a bit more wow factor.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t confuse being competitive due to a lot of in state residents wanting a tuition discount, with actually providing a good product. This school is getting the bargain shoppers.

+1 you get what you pay for

For most people, HYP is cheaper than UCB.

But HYP is probably paying more per student. They have huge endowments for financial aid.