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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

Agree to disagree. I think you underestimate the appeal of Ann Arbor, Big10 football, fraternity parties, etc. to a certain demographic. My 1520 sat, top 20% DS already decided he will be EDing to Michigan.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Yes, they will lose out on the kids that are the very, very top that use Michigan as a respectable back up. Ivy caliber kids. But these kids USUALLY do not end up matriculating to Michigan. The next level kids are the ones that will ED to Michigan. These are the top 20% of the class, 34/1500 kids. Hardly low stats kids.

Yes but Michigan gets a lot of these top kids now and will lose them. Disagree that next level kids will ED — the level below that.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Michigander who knows the “quality” of in state kids, this is one of the grossest UB threads in a long time.

I don’t interpret it that way. My sense of Michigan is that there are two distinct pools - the 50% in state and the 50% OOS.

I haven’t seen anything here bashing the in-state kids. I know from experience how phenomenal they are, including great friends from grad school and my career.

I find this thread to be focused exclusively on what the move to ED means for the 50% of OOS students. It’s a different calculus for us, in part because Michigan is quite expensive for OOS students, and therefore not as easy a choice for ED if cost is a consideration.

Not sure how you think:

“The ED kids will be lower quality. The in-state kids are already low quality. Michigan is trying to stop being top kids’ third choice, so it’s understandable, but the quality of the undergrad student body (already hardly that of a top 20 school) will go down another notch.”

Isn’t bashing, including in-state kids, but I guess you are immune to calling kids “low quality.”

Anonymous wrote:As a Michigander who knows the “quality” of in state kids, this is one of the grossest UB threads in a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Michigander who knows the “quality” of in state kids, this is one of the grossest UB threads in a long time.

I don’t interpret it that way. My sense of Michigan is that there are two distinct pools - the 50% in state and the 50% OOS.

I haven’t seen anything here bashing the in-state kids. I know from experience how phenomenal they are, including great friends from grad school and my career.

I find this thread to be focused exclusively on what the move to ED means for the 50% of OOS students. It’s a different calculus for us, in part because Michigan is quite expensive for OOS students, and therefore not as easy a choice for ED if cost is a consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

It depends how much of the class they fill up ED. There will be fewer slots EA, it’s just a question of how many.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

It depends how much of the class they fill up ED. There will be fewer slots EA, it’s just a question of how many.

Anonymous wrote:As a Michigander who knows the “quality” of in state kids, this is one of the grossest UB threads in a long time.

Anonymous wrote:As a Michigander who knows the “quality” of in state kids, this is one of the grossest UB threads in a long time.

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. Is Michigan eliminating EA?

If not, why would they be in any worse of a position with the high-stat kids?

I’ll use my DS as an example. He’s super high stats/rigor. His first choice is a private T10 and his second choice is Michigan. So he’s planning to ED at the private T10 and EA at Michigan (OOS).

If he gets in to the ED, he’ll pull the Michigan app. If he doesn’t, he’ll submit his other applications, and then decide among his admit in April.

How does Michigan’s decision to add ED make it more likely they’ll lose kids like my DS? He’s going to do exactly what he would have done if there was no ED, and they still have the same opportunity to accept/enroll him as they otherwise would have.

To me, this is actually an OPPORTUNITY for Michigan to snag more high status OOS kids in a more efficient way.

If Michigan were DS’s first choice, he’d be 100% thrill to apply ED - both to have the chance to lock it in by December (no no need to submit all the other applications) and more importantly because he’d want to show/prove to Michigan that they are indeed his first choice, not a back-up plan in case he doesn’t get into 5-10 other schools (which is a reasonable assumption to make given his stats.)

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Anonymous wrote:All of this talk about “Ivy level” kids as if Ivy admittance for unhooked kids isn’t a total crapshoot. Plenty will take a Michigan ED option if ED offers a clear boost.

Don’t disagree with you, but the ones that have a legit shot won’t settle.

I know very few kids at our private that have Michigan as a first choice, nearly all see it as a nice fallback option.

And this is why it's smart for Michigan to use ED to distinguish between the first-choice and fallback kids.

Except then they will lose out on the higher stat kids. We’ll have to see how they balance it out.

Maybe they don't want those higher stat kids and the associated dance. Maybe they want the first-choice kids. Maybe they're tired of playing all the numbers/waitlist/yield games.