Anonymous wrote:my child is 10% hispanic he will put down hispanic

Why? What's the other 90?

Anonymous wrote:A 1300 where the HS average is 950 vs a 1500 where the HS average is 1150... the 1500 kid is more special? How about a 1400 where the HS average is 950? Is the 1400 more special? At what point are the numbers just part of the application and not the whole story?

The point behind standardized tests is that they measure the same thing the same way in all circumstances. It doesn't have to be the only factor in admissions (like it is in the rest of the world) but a 1500 wealthy privileged white heterosexual male is likely to outperform a 1400 poor oppressed black lesbian female. It measures an objective thing thing that does not require context.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

Roughly 1100 black students scored 1500+ in 2005. In 2005 less than 50% of all high school students took the SAT. In 2024 it was around 75%.

I couldn't find actual data for 2024 but I suspect that now, 20 years later, there are many, many more than 1000.

For what it is worth my cousin spent THOUSANDS on SAT prep for her daughter. She got a 1500. But that was 100% prep. The girl dropped out of school first year.

SAT is just one test from one day in their life. It is not the whole story.

Finally - schools haven't seen the race data for two years. If you see black kids accepted to top schools maybe it is because they are strong students with the stats to prove it

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

If that’s the case, neither should the white legacy and donor kids in the 1300s. There's a whole lot more of THOSE cases.

It's annoying when people claim low-scoring legacy kids get into Ivies bc it is categorically false. My dc won't even apply to my Ivy where older dc is at bc no chance w 1400. The lowest score I have ever heard of legacy getting in anywhere is 32 ACT. Legacy kids are smart bc IQ is inherited obviously.

Now VIP offspring, that's different story.

Anonymous wrote:My typical UMC average excellent Asian kid talked about their heritage in their common app essay. Good student, good EC’s but not the top kid in any context. Good results in the T-30 to T-50 range.

Out of 4,000 colleges, that's great!

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

PP, come back! Tell us you are lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

I am sorry- WTF is this comment????? There are thousands of Black students with over 1500 on their SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:URM should boycott the race box this year. Don’t check it. Don’t leave any trace for Fed. I think AN also recommended against writing about it in essays.

Without the conscious preference of admissions committees, the URM population at these schools would drop in half

They started hiding the race question from admissions two years ago.

There is no URM applicant to a selective school not making their URM status clear somewhere on their application.
So we're right where we started.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

If that’s the case, neither should the white legacy and donor kids in the 1300s. There's a whole lot more of THOSE cases.

Anonymous wrote:My typical UMC average excellent Asian kid talked about their heritage in their common app essay. Good student, good EC’s but not the top kid in any context. Good results in the T-30 to T-50 range.

Colleges in that range don't look at essays that close. If you have the stats, you are in. It's the T10, T20 that get crazy.

My typical UMC average excellent Asian kid talked about their heritage in their common app essay. Good student, good EC’s but not the top kid in any context. Good results in the T-30 to T-50 range.

Anonymous wrote:my child is 10% hispanic he will put down hispanic

And nobody will see it because the admissions officers stopped receiving that data almost 2 years ago

A 1300 where the HS average is 950 vs a 1500 where the HS average is 1150... the 1500 kid is more special? How about a 1400 where the HS average is 950? Is the 1400 more special? At what point are the numbers just part of the application and not the whole story?

my child is 10% hispanic he will put down hispanic

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they even need the data? They should get rid of it all.

Though as someone else said, if you aren't smart enough to drop it in your essay ("As president of my school's black students association..."), you aren't smart enough to go to the school.

Exactly!
My kids are Black and they will work it all day long.

My kids cited their background/ culture in essays from an inspirational standpoint. That's allowed. However, they had 4.0+ GPAs and 1500+ scores too.

The elites schools will get the best URMs.

Ignorant people think just saying you're black in an essay will get you into Harvard.

There's less than 1000 black students with a 1500 SAT score. I don't think people think these are the kids that don't belong at top schools. But a black student with a scooter in the 1300s probably shouldn't be there.

There were two at our public high school. 1540 & 1550. They helped each other study. Both at T10 schools.