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Anonymous wrote:My child will be going to NCS as a 9th grader and I want her to hit the ground running and get an A in English. I know that NCS English is brutally hard, but getting A's is of paramount importance. Can someone give us advice on how to prepare for NCS English essays? What resources do you find helpful for your daughter? What do the teachers usually look for when grading the essays?

You've mistaken-Getting a good education is of paramount importance, not straight As.

If you just want straight As, hire a special tutor who will write all assignments and essays for her (as some uber rich parents would do). Then the outcome is not going to be any good, your daughter still don't know how to write.

The process from a B- to B+ to an A is what the learning process is about. A kid's academic growth is embedded in that process, even if they never get As, even if they don't get in ivy league schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?

There’s a difference between hard work and what the NCS girls go through: extreme sleep deprivation and lack of any down time. Assignments that are often busywork rather than substantive learning opportunities.

I have nieces and nephews and friends with kids at public’s and other privates. Sorry but most public school kids with 3.9s don’t work any near as hard as the NCS girls, nor do kids at schools like SAES, Field, etc.

I worked pretty hard in HS. Maybe 4-5 hours a night but had weekends mostly off. I graduated 3rd in my class of 600, 3.97 UW GPA, 1570 SAT, and went to a HYP school. The NCS girls work harder than I did and despite having similar stats many will not make it to a HYP-level school.

Former teacher here. While you point your finger at the school, you have three fingers pointing back at you. The source of a lion's share of the stress at the school is the parents who expect their kids to maintain a 4.0 while participating in a host of extracurriculars to pad their resumes, including club sports. The year I left the school, the admin surveyed the students to see where they think the source of the stress is. Of the four categories, the students placed parents first, themselves second, teachers third, and admin fourth. Quit it with this HYP nonsense and realize that the landscape of college admissions has changed post-COVID. Many parents lived in the delusion that a diploma from NCS would magically open every door for them. This wasn't really true in the past, and it certainly isn't true now. Lastly, I've lived in the DC area since the 1970s. NCS, as well as Sidwell and GDS, has always been known for its academic rigor. Most adolescents I know aren't interested in a rigorous education at that age (I certainly wasn't), but for the students who are, I'm glad these schools exist.

Honey, for a so-called teacher you demonstrate a surprising lack of intelligence.

First, depending on how surveys are designed they can be quite flawed. Look up survey methodology. Second, teens often project their own anxieties onto parents. We’re a convenient scapegoat. My kids have ascribed expectations to me and DH that are from from real. Third, few parents are under the delusion that any school can provide a magic bullet.

NCS places unreasonable demands on its students in the name of so-called rigor. If we had known what we know now we would not have sent our daughter there. We encouraged her to consider other schools in eighth grade before she started high Sadly, once she had been there for a few years she was unwilling to separate from her friend group.

Blaming parents for the unrelenting pressure is a rather convenient way for the school and teachers to avoid responsibility.

You should have taken your kid out of the school rather than let her make a decision based on her friend group. Who's the parent here, honey? Instead, you let your kid attend a school that clearly wasn't a good fit for her. That's your fault. Schools like NCS aren't for everyone, but they are great for students who want a rigorous education.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?

There’s a difference between hard work and what the NCS girls go through: extreme sleep deprivation and lack of any down time. Assignments that are often busywork rather than substantive learning opportunities.

I have nieces and nephews and friends with kids at public’s and other privates. Sorry but most public school kids with 3.9s don’t work any near as hard as the NCS girls, nor do kids at schools like SAES, Field, etc.

I worked pretty hard in HS. Maybe 4-5 hours a night but had weekends mostly off. I graduated 3rd in my class of 600, 3.97 UW GPA, 1570 SAT, and went to a HYP school. The NCS girls work harder than I did and despite having similar stats many will not make it to a HYP-level school.

Former teacher here. While you point your finger at the school, you have three fingers pointing back at you. The source of a lion's share of the stress at the school is the parents who expect their kids to maintain a 4.0 while participating in a host of extracurriculars to pad their resumes, including club sports. The year I left the school, the admin surveyed the students to see where they think the source of the stress is. Of the four categories, the students placed parents first, themselves second, teachers third, and admin fourth. Quit it with this HYP nonsense and realize that the landscape of college admissions has changed post-COVID. Many parents lived in the delusion that a diploma from NCS would magically open every door for them. This wasn't really true in the past, and it certainly isn't true now. Lastly, I've lived in the DC area since the 1970s. NCS, as well as Sidwell and GDS, has always been known for its academic rigor. Most adolescents I know aren't interested in a rigorous education at that age (I certainly wasn't), but for the students who are, I'm glad these schools exist.

Honey, for a so-called teacher you demonstrate a surprising lack of intelligence.

First, depending on how surveys are designed they can be quite flawed. Look up survey methodology. Second, teens often project their own anxieties onto parents. We’re a convenient scapegoat. My kids have ascribed expectations to me and DH that are from from real. Third, few parents are under the delusion that any school can provide a magic bullet.

NCS places unreasonable demands on its students in the name of so-called rigor. If we had known what we know now we would not have sent our daughter there. We encouraged her to consider other schools in eighth grade before she started high Sadly, once she had been there for a few years she was unwilling to separate from her friend group.

Blaming parents for the unrelenting pressure is a rather convenient way for the school and teachers to avoid responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?

There’s a difference between hard work and what the NCS girls go through: extreme sleep deprivation and lack of any down time. Assignments that are often busywork rather than substantive learning opportunities.

I have nieces and nephews and friends with kids at public’s and other privates. Sorry but most public school kids with 3.9s don’t work any near as hard as the NCS girls, nor do kids at schools like SAES, Field, etc.

I worked pretty hard in HS. Maybe 4-5 hours a night but had weekends mostly off. I graduated 3rd in my class of 600, 3.97 UW GPA, 1570 SAT, and went to a HYP school. The NCS girls work harder than I did and despite having similar stats many will not make it to a HYP-level school.

Former teacher here. While you point your finger at the school, you have three fingers pointing back at you. The source of a lion's share of the stress at the school is the parents who expect their kids to maintain a 4.0 while participating in a host of extracurriculars to pad their resumes, including club sports. The year I left the school, the admin surveyed the students to see where they think the source of the stress is. Of the four categories, the students placed parents first, themselves second, teachers third, and admin fourth. Quit it with this HYP nonsense and realize that the landscape of college admissions has changed post-COVID. Many parents lived in the delusion that a diploma from NCS would magically open every door for them. This wasn't really true in the past, and it certainly isn't true now. Lastly, I've lived in the DC area since the 1970s. NCS, as well as Sidwell and GDS, has always been known for its academic rigor. Most adolescents I know aren't interested in a rigorous education at that age (I certainly wasn't), but for the students who are, I'm glad these schools exist.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?

There’s a difference between hard work and what the NCS girls go through: extreme sleep deprivation and lack of any down time. Assignments that are often busywork rather than substantive learning opportunities.

I have nieces and nephews and friends with kids at public’s and other privates. Sorry but most public school kids with 3.9s don’t work any near as hard as the NCS girls, nor do kids at schools like SAES, Field, etc.

I worked pretty hard in HS. Maybe 4-5 hours a night but had weekends mostly off. I graduated 3rd in my class of 600, 3.97 UW GPA, 1570 SAT, and went to a HYP school. The NCS girls work harder than I did and despite having similar stats many will not make it to a HYP-level school.

Former teacher here. While you point your finger at the school, you have three fingers pointing back at you. The source of a lion's share of the stress at the school is the parents who expect their kids to maintain a 4.0 while participating in a host of extracurriculars to pad their resumes, including club sports. The year I left the school, the admin surveyed the students to see where they think the source of the stress is. Of the four categories, the students placed parents first, themselves second, teachers third, and admin fourth. Quit it with this HYP nonsense and realize that the landscape of college admissions has changed post-COVID. Many parents lived in the delusion that a diploma from NCS would magically open every door for them. This wasn't really true in the past, and it certainly isn't true now. Lastly, I've lived in the DC area since the 1970s. NCS, as well as Sidwell and GDS, has always been known for its academic rigor. Most adolescents I know aren't interested in a rigorous education at that age (I certainly wasn't), but for the students who are, I'm glad these schools exist.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?

There’s a difference between hard work and what the NCS girls go through: extreme sleep deprivation and lack of any down time. Assignments that are often busywork rather than substantive learning opportunities.

I have nieces and nephews and friends with kids at public’s and other privates. Sorry but most public school kids with 3.9s don’t work any near as hard as the NCS girls, nor do kids at schools like SAES, Field, etc.

I worked pretty hard in HS. Maybe 4-5 hours a night but had weekends mostly off. I graduated 3rd in my class of 600, 3.97 UW GPA, 1570 SAT, and went to a HYP school. The NCS girls work harder than I did and despite having similar stats many will not make it to a HYP-level school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?

There’s a difference between hard work and what the NCS girls go through: extreme sleep deprivation and lack of any down time. Assignments that are often busywork rather than substantive learning opportunities.

I have nieces and nephews and friends with kids at public’s and other privates. Sorry but most public school kids with 3.9s don’t work any near as hard as the NCS girls, nor do kids at schools like SAES, Field, etc.

I worked pretty hard in HS. Maybe 4-5 hours a night but had weekends mostly off. I graduated 3rd in my class of 600, 3.97 UW GPA, 1570 SAT, and went to a HYP school. The NCS girls work harder than I did and despite having similar stats many will not make it to a HYP-level school.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand. If it “takes blood, sweat, and tears to earn a 3.9 at NCS,” how did so many NCS girls go to ivies? It’s not adding up. What is the gpa at NCS for ivy admit?

3.7 hooked
3.9 unhooked

How many 3.9 unhooked? 5?

Large droves of NCS girls go to ivies and ivy plus, are they all hooked?

There were 11 Ivies this year out of 85.

How many out of 11 are unhooked?

3 categories:
-unhooked and top 20% student
-hooked and top 20% student
-hooked and not top 20% student

Roughly you could put 1/3 of the 11 in each category. Same as any strong private.

Is the top 20% cut off approximately at 3.9 gpa?

Definitely not. Maybe 3.7-3.8.

It's hard tell because the cum laude society is the top 20% but is based only on soph and junior year grades. the cut-off for this is generally a high 3.8/low 3.9 but there are girls with overall higher GPAs (across all 4 years)who don't make it because they had lower GPAs during soph and junior. So it's unclear

So it can be established that about 20% have a gpa approximately 3.9 based on sophomore and junior. The percentage could be higher if considering freshman grades. In total it is likely there are 25% obtaining a gpa of 3.9.

The 20% is more like 3.85+. Some years higher. Some of the cum laude girls have an overall lower GPA than non cum laude girls because freshman year brings them down.

That is a pretty normal distribution.
Makes me think "blood, sweat, and tears" is kinda exaggerating.

No,not an exaggerarion. Top 20% is more like 3.7+ most years. That’s actually pretty low. NCS girls do okay in admissions because many are hooked or have wealthy parents paying $$$$ for tutoring, test prep, private collect counseling that includes essay prep, and for activities that make them pointy.

To get the real cost of the grade deflation you’d have to look at the impact on the girls whose parents can’t afford all the extra support needed to be in the 3.9+ range.

no, 3.7 is low for top 20%. my daughter graduated 3.90 and was not top 20% 2 years ago.

There is a difference between Cum Laude and straight GPA though. CL is only two years. So could have a higher GPA and not be in CL.

The point is, if 20% gets 3.9, then it's not blood sweat and tears, it's normal distribution. There is a parent here trying hard to say 3.9 is really really rare, but it's not.

20% of 85 is 17. There were 17 girls in the class of 2025 with GPAs of at least 3.9? I don't think so.

No. There weren’t 17 girls with 3.9 GPAs.

Blood, sweat, and tears doesn’t have to mean really really rare. It means the girls who do get it sacrifice a lot to do so. Unless you’re a parent of an NCS girl with a 3.9+ GPA you have no idea what the girls go through.

Shouldn't a 3 9 GPA require hard work? What would it mean otherwise?