Anonymous wrote:I’m curious what names are being floated as a successor. I’ve heard Cucinelli but he is a politician, not an educator. Are there other names?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been following the story. Whether you agree or not was UVA going against federal mandate to disable DEI? If they were trying to go around then this is not good. You don’t get to decide what laws you want to follow
based on your feelings. If they were complying then he should not step down. I am not sure what the answer was? He seemed well liked and it is a good school. Surely he would understand that he cannot create admissions based on his personal feelings? Is there something more here?

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Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

You think DEI is racist? lol

We think YOU are racist. You clearly only care about the color of one's skin - that's it. It's pretty gross.

Strawman. Your narrative is not based in reality.

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Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

Yes. Nothing like the soft bigotry of low expectations. These twits apparently don't think minority students can get in without a racial boost. How pathetic.

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Why are some of you so outraged about ending DEI and think it will be the end of diversity? Don't you believe diverse populations will be admitted on their merit? Your objections seem to make it clear you *don't* believe this to be true. I find that so curious. You're actually saying that you don't think diverse/minority populations could possibly get in on their own merit, and that adcoms would need to know what race they are to make up for that. Bizarre.

Thank you. The unspoken racism in these posts is astonishing

You think that the average kid from a HS in a historically-redlined area has the same opportunities as the average kid from a gated posh area?

DP. There are many wealthy minority students who attend my kid's high school - much wealthier than our family. But apparently you think those kids should get a boost simply because they are black and Hispanic? Unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions was banned statewide by a bill signed by Youngkin. A new president at UVA can’t change that.

The forces that pushed Ryan out removed a university president by federal pressure for the first time in the history of the United States. Do you think they care and or can’t use the same pressure to impact policy in VA? Wake up

Of course they can, but why did Youngkin sign it in the first place? Honestly, legacy admission coming back would benefit my kids hugely. But if it means having to attend under the leadership of the Cooch, I think we’d pass.

Another clueless poster. The bump was never that big to begin with, and if you’re in state it was practically nothing. “Hugely?” Um, no.

Not hugely as in, “my kid with a 3.0 is getting in.” But hugely, as in, if it came down to my kid vs another in their class, the kid with two parents, a grandparent, and several uncles and cousins as alums would get the nod.

Legacy is parents. That’s it. Nobody gives a shit about uncles and cousins. UVA is full of students whose cousins didn’t get in. Get a grip. You are waaay overestimating how legacy worked at UVA.

Ok, fine. Then if it came down to my kid vs another in their class with equal stats, the one with two alum parents would be favored. Better?

Uh huh. Sure.

Where are you getting the fanciful idea that two kids exist with identical stats except one is a legacy? They don’t.

We have very good friends who were both UVA grads. Their very smart and perfectly well accomplished in state daughter ended up at Oberlin after not even getting waitlisted. They were furious. And it happened all the time. It’s a large state school where many in state applicants have parents who went there. It’s also much more competitive now than when you got in. You yourself probably wouldn’t get in today.

Thanks for your little anecdote. You obviously know more than me and you’ve totally put me in my place.

You’re welcome.

I’m sorry you don’t have the golden ticket to UVA anymore. But as I said you never really did. You’re just misinformed.

Don’t be sorry. As I said, we wouldn’t even want it under these circumstances. Curious though, if it was never a real advantage, then why did they have to officially end it?

Well, for starters it gave a bigger bump to out of state applicants. It essentially considered them as in state applicants for admissions purposes (although not for tuition purposes), which did make a difference.

As for you not wanting it “under these circumstances,” you’re living under a rock if you think that UVA is uniquely affected by the current crazy administration. It isn’t. Every major university is scrambling to stay on the administration’s good side and making changes big and small. They’re just not as public. And sure UVA is losing its excellent president, but he was leaving next year anyway.

So the Virginia legislature outlawed a legacy bump just to penalize out-of-state alums, while keeping the overall ratio of OOS to in-state students unchanged? Sure, ok.

God you people are obtuse. The Virginia legislature didn’t outlaw legacy just at UVA - it was a universal ban aimed at all VA state colleges. So, no, it wasn’t “just” that.

Right, because the alums of GMU and JMU have been positively up in arms about their kids being shut out. Obtuse, GMAFB.

This is from an almost 20 year old article in UVA Magazine:

Th[e] improvement in the [applicant] pool has meant that one’s legacy status doesn’t carry the weight that it once did for in-state students. For out-of-state students, a legacy status puts them in the in-state pool, where their odds are better.

As the Alumni Association’s liaison for legacy applicants, Cindy Darr Garver (Col ’80) warns alumni of this fact. The University has always embraced the legacy tradition—legacies typically make up 10 to 13 percent of a class—but the increasingly competitive landscape means that alumni shouldn’t assume that their child has a significant advantage in the application process. “Managing expectations is my primary job,” Garver says, and “it gets harder all the time.”

Anonymous wrote:Admissions changes every year and someone’s citing an article from TWENTY YEARS AGO. Get out of here.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy admissions was banned statewide by a bill signed by Youngkin. A new president at UVA can’t change that.

The forces that pushed Ryan out removed a university president by federal pressure for the first time in the history of the United States. Do you think they care and or can’t use the same pressure to impact policy in VA? Wake up

Of course they can, but why did Youngkin sign it in the first place? Honestly, legacy admission coming back would benefit my kids hugely. But if it means having to attend under the leadership of the Cooch, I think we’d pass.

Another clueless poster. The bump was never that big to begin with, and if you’re in state it was practically nothing. “Hugely?” Um, no.

Not hugely as in, “my kid with a 3.0 is getting in.” But hugely, as in, if it came down to my kid vs another in their class, the kid with two parents, a grandparent, and several uncles and cousins as alums would get the nod.

Legacy is parents. That’s it. Nobody gives a shit about uncles and cousins. UVA is full of students whose cousins didn’t get in. Get a grip. You are waaay overestimating how legacy worked at UVA.

Ok, fine. Then if it came down to my kid vs another in their class with equal stats, the one with two alum parents would be favored. Better?

Uh huh. Sure.

Where are you getting the fanciful idea that two kids exist with identical stats except one is a legacy? They don’t.

We have very good friends who were both UVA grads. Their very smart and perfectly well accomplished in state daughter ended up at Oberlin after not even getting waitlisted. They were furious. And it happened all the time. It’s a large state school where many in state applicants have parents who went there. It’s also much more competitive now than when you got in. You yourself probably wouldn’t get in today.

Thanks for your little anecdote. You obviously know more than me and you’ve totally put me in my place.

You’re welcome.

I’m sorry you don’t have the golden ticket to UVA anymore. But as I said you never really did. You’re just misinformed.

Don’t be sorry. As I said, we wouldn’t even want it under these circumstances. Curious though, if it was never a real advantage, then why did they have to officially end it?

Well, for starters it gave a bigger bump to out of state applicants. It essentially considered them as in state applicants for admissions purposes (although not for tuition purposes), which did make a difference.

As for you not wanting it “under these circumstances,” you’re living under a rock if you think that UVA is uniquely affected by the current crazy administration. It isn’t. Every major university is scrambling to stay on the administration’s good side and making changes big and small. They’re just not as public. And sure UVA is losing its excellent president, but he was leaving next year anyway.

So the Virginia legislature outlawed a legacy bump just to penalize out-of-state alums, while keeping the overall ratio of OOS to in-state students unchanged? Sure, ok.

God you people are obtuse. The Virginia legislature didn’t outlaw legacy just at UVA - it was a universal ban aimed at all VA state colleges. So, no, it wasn’t “just” that.

Right, because the alums of GMU and JMU have been positively up in arms about their kids being shut out. Obtuse, GMAFB.

This is from an almost 20 year old article in UVA Magazine:

Th[e] improvement in the [applicant] pool has meant that one’s legacy status doesn’t carry the weight that it once did for in-state students. For out-of-state students, a legacy status puts them in the in-state pool, where their odds are better.

As the Alumni Association’s liaison for legacy applicants, Cindy Darr Garver (Col ’80) warns alumni of this fact. The University has always embraced the legacy tradition—legacies typically make up 10 to 13 percent of a class—but the increasingly competitive landscape means that alumni shouldn’t assume that their child has a significant advantage in the application process. “Managing expectations is my primary job,” Garver says, and “it gets harder all the time.”

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The forces that pushed Ryan out removed a university president by federal pressure for the first time in the history of the United States. Do you think they care and or can’t use the same pressure to impact policy in VA? Wake up

Of course they can, but why did Youngkin sign it in the first place? Honestly, legacy admission coming back would benefit my kids hugely. But if it means having to attend under the leadership of the Cooch, I think we’d pass.

Another clueless poster. The bump was never that big to begin with, and if you’re in state it was practically nothing. “Hugely?” Um, no.

Not hugely as in, “my kid with a 3.0 is getting in.” But hugely, as in, if it came down to my kid vs another in their class, the kid with two parents, a grandparent, and several uncles and cousins as alums would get the nod.

Legacy is parents. That’s it. Nobody gives a shit about uncles and cousins. UVA is full of students whose cousins didn’t get in. Get a grip. You are waaay overestimating how legacy worked at UVA.

Ok, fine. Then if it came down to my kid vs another in their class with equal stats, the one with two alum parents would be favored. Better?

Uh huh. Sure.

Where are you getting the fanciful idea that two kids exist with identical stats except one is a legacy? They don’t.

We have very good friends who were both UVA grads. Their very smart and perfectly well accomplished in state daughter ended up at Oberlin after not even getting waitlisted. They were furious. And it happened all the time. It’s a large state school where many in state applicants have parents who went there. It’s also much more competitive now than when you got in. You yourself probably wouldn’t get in today.

Thanks for your little anecdote. You obviously know more than me and you’ve totally put me in my place.

You’re welcome.

I’m sorry you don’t have the golden ticket to UVA anymore. But as I said you never really did. You’re just misinformed.

Don’t be sorry. As I said, we wouldn’t even want it under these circumstances. Curious though, if it was never a real advantage, then why did they have to officially end it?

Well, for starters it gave a bigger bump to out of state applicants. It essentially considered them as in state applicants for admissions purposes (although not for tuition purposes), which did make a difference.

As for you not wanting it “under these circumstances,” you’re living under a rock if you think that UVA is uniquely affected by the current crazy administration. It isn’t. Every major university is scrambling to stay on the administration’s good side and making changes big and small. They’re just not as public. And sure UVA is losing its excellent president, but he was leaving next year anyway.

So the Virginia legislature outlawed a legacy bump just to penalize out-of-state alums, while keeping the overall ratio of OOS to in-state students unchanged? Sure, ok.

God you people are obtuse. The Virginia legislature didn’t outlaw legacy just at UVA - it was a universal ban aimed at all VA state colleges. So, no, it wasn’t “just” that.

Right, because the alums of GMU and JMU have been positively up in arms about their kids being shut out. Obtuse, GMAFB.